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How is everyone missing that the way Marquez took that last corner was more or less out of control, and would have ended up in the gravel if Lorenzo was not there? If I was Jorge, how would you like someone behind you willing to kamikaze/torpedo? I take his reaction of anger not just in context of this race and the loss of a position, but the high risk of injury that luckily this time didn't occur.
Also I don't think for a second that any brake checking was going on, again it was Marquez pushing hard trying to exploit Honda top end strength. He could have passed on the back straight if he could get onto it with as much drive as Lorenzo had, also Rossi I think. Perhaps Yamaha in general.
As to saying Lorenzo made a mistake cos he was a bit right of the final left corner, he only mistook Marquez experience because I say again the manner Marquez took that corner was not to arrive out the other side. Lorenzo was preparing for a drag to the finish line, so was taking a wide in late apex approach.
He was always going to get better but amazing how quickly - from struggling at the Jerez test to 2nd in the race and than at this test he did 37 sub 1:40 laps.
The gap to Rossi is more than .57 of a second in that he did a total of six sub 1:40 laps in testing.
Dani, Jorge & Cal ranged from 19 to 27 laps sub 1.40 to finish off the numbers.
When on a high throttle opening and/or in a 'medium' speed, or faster corner wind and rolling resistance/friction (these bikes are often not in line in corners and tyres may be spinning) will quickly slow the bike down if power is reduced. This is probably imperceptible to anyone but the rider and the engineer with the data, but when we are talking thousandths of a second it all adds up.
The consistency of these riders is phenomenal and someone like Lorenzo will unquestionably capitalise on that - both directly by using the time/power available to accelerate more quickly for longer (it builds with every change) and also by finding new ways of riding the bike to make use of this new ability. The last point is pure guesswork but the former is not.
I hate to think how much many is being spent on this technology because it all seems pretty pointless - like carbon brakes it has no meaning beyond the track.
If DCG was allowed, or seamless banned (just specify a minimum gear-change ignition interruption as noted by David if they don't know what the technology is) then they could spend a small part of the saving on having one male umbrella person for each female one....
Yamaha expected to dominate. Honda take the win.
Wonder how much the effect of finally a dry weekend at Jerez played into a surprise result. 2011 and 2012 both married by rain, and 2013 pre season the same.
data is all important. No one had any...
Jorge may have left the door open for Marquez, but Marq kicked it down anyway.
I figure that statement by the fact MM was in too hot and would have ran off/ran wide if he didn't have JL to push off (his berm, and the unwilling rider giving assistance).
Also, block passing has never been particularly popular with the majority of viewers, when it happens people get worked up.
Yet the talk in Qatar was how the Honda struggles to turn in low grip situations. Did they change something after Qatar?
You do find a way to prove yourself a huge VR fan with each story! I am not passing judgement as you don't come across as a blinded partisan , but it is noticeable!
Seem to remember Stoner winning last year so I don't think Jerez is a purely Yamaha track.
Rossi has the same bike and tyres as Lorenzo, the bike was never 'developed' around Lorenzo. In 2010 Lorenzo's team found a setting for the rear that allowed better drive with no worse tyre wear.
Positive note the attendence figures are up and that would be safe to say TV figures up also
The M1 has been built around George. Burgess and crew have been playing with weight distribution and balance trying to find a solution so Rossi can ride like he wants, hard on the brakes. They haven't found it yet. It usually takes them 4-5 races before they nail it but the clock is indeed ticking. Cal said if he or Rossi tries to do what Lorenzo is doing they crash. Neither one of them ride like Lorenzo, they have their own styles.
If Rossi hasn't challenged for a win by Catalunya then it's definitely Pete Tong. There won't be any acceptable excuses especially if Lorenzo bags another win by then. Rossi is still good enough to come up to speed on the M1 quickly. They have setup issues but time is running out. If you watch his interview post qualifying, post race, or especially after the test today Valentino is visibly irritated, annoyed, what have you. Another couple of results like this and the press is gonna start the doubt, old man, the younger guys have moved on, etc, business and with a decent bike there will be no where to turn.
Nice try. But....
You hilariously read too much into things.
Rossi's problem was set up.
The heat of the greasy track and selection of tires brought by Bridgestone is the biggest significance.
Better track and better tires, and Yamaha runs away with a victory....like always at Jerez.
Even if the Hondas' performance stayed constant, the drop off of Yamaha was significant. While i think it's crazy to have tipped Cal to win after his strong test, falling to 5th without at least one major mistake is surprising. Jorge tested well and Vale even led the time sheets for a quick spell. But that Yamaha was all over the track and it started early.
You can't overlook Dani's training methodology to become a better wet rider that David reported on last yesr - think it was said he rode on teack with sand. That training had to have paid huge dividends given poor traction available. A well deserved win.
These are 99's times over 27 laps. Riding a defensive line means you lap slower than if you are riding the fast line. These times don't indicate defensive riding to me. Pedrosa's lap by lap times were sometimes .3 quicker than Lorenzo's but there are plenty of laps where Lorenzo was faster by .2 or more.
1'44.730
1'39.565
1'39.852
1'40.072
1'40.011
1’40.610
1’40.376
1’40.534
1’40.743
1'40.682
1'41.063
1'40.621
1'40.667
1'40.554
1'40.521
1'40.631
1'40.780
1'40.647
1'40.767
1'40.571
1'40.841
1'40.682
1'40.828
1'40.527
1'40.552
1'40.774
1'44.520
Each time 93 had a near miss with 99 into a corner, my thoughts were 'brake check'. Lorenzo is known for corner speed, Marquez knows it too, so thought he could safely draft Lorenzo to the apex; Lorenzo however had clearly decided to mess with Marquez and see if he could force an error.
Marquez was not riding dangerously at all. And despite Lorenzo's antics, Marquez stayed cool, then repaid the favour in the final corner. Genius :)
rather than getting hot just in time for the race, Jorge would have been a lot more competitive. And I didn't notice the Honda having much, if any of an acceleration advantage coming onto Jerez's straight when Jorge was racing Marquez. When the grip is good the Yamaha is at least as quick as Honda, when grip is poor like the last two races it looks like the Honda works better.
This is the biggest story from the race that hasn't been really addressed so far:
"Jerez was the first track at which Rossi had hoped to show his true speed. If seven seconds down on Jorge Lorenzo is his true speed, then he will struggle to win another race. ..."
That question David posed after Qatar about mirages is starting to take on increasing significance ...
Spies will need to come back and be the lead Ducati man. He has to, if he is planing on staying in GP with a decent ride. Its different than two years ago or even last year. There are some very fast and young riders waiting to move up. If he cant show the speed he showed in his first year, then i cant see Suzuki giving him a spot when they have many other options. I wish him well, but i fear he's lost that edge needed in GP.
As for WSBK, i wouldn't be so sure he could just go in there and wipe the floor as some say. It's a bit different then when he was in. And I'm a HUGE Haga fan.
But I did forget Hayden's title in 06. That makes it 6 of the past 9 titles for Yamaha since they introduced the long stroke engine, with Honda nabbing 2 and Ducati just 1.. Over the full decade since 2003 It's Yamaha 6, Honda 3, Ducati 1, so Yamaha still have twice as many titles as Honda. Whether that fits your definition of Domination or not thats a very convincing lead to Yamaha.
P.S. Suzuki won the 2000 title too. Might want to check your own link there bro!
At what point does a battered rider or a recovering rider get the all clear to race? How is their fitness assessed in order to protect the people they race alongside and the rider from himself?
Pain is the body's way of telling you to stop what you are doing because damage is being caused. Whether that's gritting your teeth or riding with pain killing injections there is a point where to continue is foolish and dangerous.
It seems most riders and the paddock in general are a bit cavalier in this regard and injured riders are lauded because of their "fighting spirit" or "heroic rides" for pushing through the pain barrier. I do think the riders are sometimes their own worst enemies but the medical officials also have a case to answer. In the case of Ben it seems like he's aggravated the injury by not allowing it to heal properly before subjecting it to the rigours and stresses of preseason testing and two full motogp rounds before his body finally forced him to listen to what it was trying to tell him. The teams should also have a responsibility to the welfare of their employee, and also take measures protect him from himself not least by removing the pressure forcing them to ride injured, from the riders head. The last thing anyone wants is an injured rider causing further injury to himself or others. Get well Ben, get fit and come back 100%.
right up until race time when it got hotter than it had been all weekend, leaving them in no mans land with tyres, the soft too soft and the hard not having enough grip. In that particular scenario Jorge is at a disadvantage because you need to do the 'stand the bike up/square off the corner' thing which plays more to the strengths of Honda and its riders at present. It was interesting to see though that Jorge was giving absoluteley nothing away to Marquez in terms of acceleration onto the front straight at Jerez - if anything he pulled a bike or two on Marquez out of Lorenzo corner.
If temps had stayed the same as in practice Jorge would probably have own it, and everyone would be singing a very different tune. The Yam would have had more grip and Jorge would have been able to exploit it with huge corner speed. And lets not forget Jorge was only a fraction away from taking second. Its not like Honda finished 1-2-3-4 as has happened in the past. When we get to tracks like Mugello which rewards corner speed and has consistent grip levels I think we'll again see how good the Yamaha is.
Hey David, can we get rid of this "preview" before we post. Its really annoying.
His way of saying Rossi.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RzVu5sVQ0ZE
Saw this on the Wera forum, labeled, Karma. Lol
I agree with MikeAtCCC, in the fact it is getting harder and harder to defend Spies. He had a year that was so jacked last year from his own mistakes, to injuries and bike failing in ways I have not seen in a race in my entire life. But he is beginning to fall into the James "Bubba" Stewart area for me. Both have the talent and speed, but once they start crashing and being injured it seems like they cannot seem to climb over the problems and move forward anymore.
I wish the best for Ben because he has the talent, but I would be lying if I did not think he has lost a mental edge he used to have.
Dani has always had a style that was similar to Stoner. They both pick the bike up very early and are on the throttle sooner than most. Lorenzo likes huge conner speed, which is great when you're out front but not so great when you're behind another bike. Rossi is a demon on the brakes, when he has a good feeling with the front he can do magic. It one reason he has always been able to fight back straight away. Barros was like this. I was always amazed at how late he was able to brake.