Mugello Round: off-track stuff (2011 R8)

[Tormo4ever]

""You can t just act the way you act and then with a little message , expect people to understand you."
In no way I read this as a clue of Pedro receiving the message, but lying about it. He obviously heard all the discussions about it, as he acknowledges.

Anyway, even if he did get the message and chose to ignore it, this is such a minor thing it makes absolutely zero relevance in all this fuss. C'mon, you ask him to man up and just race, but this is a lie that should or couldn't be approved.
Who cares if hes sent a message or not, or are they dating now?

I know I'm dreaming, but i will be crashed tomorrow if i see Simoncelli finish ahead of Pedro. I know...

Imeant Dani thinking Simo should man up , come see me and apologize .. like he did with Nicky. Despite Puig talking all that crap he talked. I can see Dani being very sensitive about the wjhole thing , even beyond reasonable, he was already struggling physically, hangin in the chship .. now he s back out of shape and with the chship basically gone.

[Squidpuppet]

""You can t just act the way you act and then with a little message , expect people to understand you."
In no way I read this as a clue of Pedro receiving the message, but lying about it.

I do. I also see a conscious and determined effort to not accept the apology.

Dani said...

You can t cheat on your wife and then just say "im sorry".

Right there he is saying that Simoncelli made an apology, and that is not good enough for the crime. It aslo says that Dani views Simoncellis blunder at LeMans as deliberate with intent to harm.

[9fingers]

Dani said...

You can t cheat on your wife and then just say "im sorry".

Right there he is saying that Simoncelli made an apology, and that is not good enough for the crime. It aslo says that Dani views Simoncellis blunder at LeMans as deliberate with intent to harm.

Yeah, the hand shake was supposed to be the apology, also he surely read the "I'm sorry for what happened to Pedrosa...".
I know my English is not even as good as Dani's but you read way too much into that.

I'm glad Pedrosa refused the hand shake. But saying this, I was also glad to see Lorenzo shaking Simoncelli's hand, congratulating him for the first pole, in the disapproving and booing of the Spanish crowed. Fans have no right to act like that, but Pedrosa should have the right to refuse his apologies, without all these considerations.

The only reason Simoncelli has a good chance at victory tomorrow, is the incident from Le Mans.

[Squidpuppet]

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The only reason Simoncelli has a good chance at victory tomorrow, is the incident from Le Mans.

Doesnt he still have to beat Casey, Jorge, Ben etc?

[9fingers]

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The only reason Simoncelli has a good chance at victory tomorrow, is the incident from Le Mans.

Doesnt he still have to beat Casey, Jorge, Ben etc?

He has to beat all, I just considered Pedro as the favorite. He was on fire last year (R4), even at the beginning of the season with all the difficulties of the RC212V.

[eddahenry]

well it seems like Caseys feelings about Ducati are starting to finally starting to come out
http://blogs.bettor.com/Casey-Stoner-sa ... ews-a80024

[Tourn46]

well it seems like Caseys feelings about Ducati are starting to finally starting to come out
http://blogs.bettor.com/Casey-Stoner-sa ... ews-a80024

That's weird, the only quoted bits had nothing to do with what the rest of the article said.

[lebowski]

Just paid a visit to GPone...

Holy shit!

Sic is everywhere! He is on the top of the page, peering around each side with a maniacal grin. It's scaring me and I don't even have to line up with him. I was thinking about a ride today before heading into work but that image has messed with my mind.I'd like to see Dani's reaction captured if he paid a visit to the site on his computer.

[ipso]

well it seems like Caseys feelings about Ducati are starting to finally starting to come out
http://blogs.bettor.com/Casey-Stoner-sa ... ews-a80024

That's weird, the only quoted bits had nothing to do with what the rest of the article said.

That seems like a neophyte blogger author. He’s been “blocked by admin” on the site as well.

In any case, this seems like perhaps a better journalistic handling of that information: more direct quotes vs. paraphrasing anyway. Seems to me less like Stoner is pissing in the pool – vs. just answering direct questions in his own outspoken style.

[lebowski]

Thanks ipso.

I think this quote from him:

"Very different. With Honda I'm more relaxed. In contrast with Ducati, the Japanese think more about racing than about appearances."

is more to do with his dislike for PR than a comment on those who make up the race team.

[DJH]

That seems like a neophyte blogger author. He’s been “blocked by admin” on the site as well.

What an absolute garbage article.

[ipso]

Thanks ipso.

I think this quote from him:

"Very different. With Honda I'm more relaxed. In contrast with Ducati, the Japanese think more about racing than about appearances."

is more to do with his dislike for PR than a comment on those who make up the race team.

The Doood.. - I completely agree with you, but sharply disagree with Stoner. I worked for a Japanese company in Tokyo for a couple of years, and have to say: the Japanese care very much about “appearances” – it’s just a different appearance they are going after.

I suspect Ducati are simply more attune to style, whereas Japanese – in my experience – are unswervingly after impeccable integrity (indeed, to a fault, at the expense of everything else.)

That seems like a neophyte blogger author. He’s been “blocked by admin” on the site as well.

What an absolute garbage article.

It’s fascinating to see how journalists deal differently with similar data. (Or scratch and crawl to differentiate themselves with exclusive data!) I almost always chalk up incoherence to language/translation. That’s the great “forgive”. The more I hunt and peck around, the more “quality” really stands out. Krop differentiates himself in this regard. Insightful, and well within the facts (and himself), but still supremely expressive. That’s the game. I like it – hence contribute to his ongoing concern.

Although, I can’t stand the MM homepage layout relative to … I don’t know – access - “look and feel”. (Yet – I’ve not seen better.) And it seems to me you forum members (and moderators) are all unsung heroes – providing valuable trends and ideas. How’s that for “off-track-had-2-scotches” content?

[lebowski]

It’s fascinating to see how journalists deal differently with similar data. (Or scratch and crawl to differentiate themselves with exclusive data!) I almost always chalk up incoherence to language/translation. That’s the great “forgive”. The more I hunt and peck around, the more “quality” really stands out........

.. How’s that for “off-track-had-2-scotches” content?

It's also frightening. The vast bulk of journalism is a copy/paste job done without ANY research and/or ANY independent thought or analysis. You get mass regurgitation of the position of somebody powerful or influential enough to issue a press release on a topic and then vast dissemination without questioning whether it represents the true position. Following a topic around the globe on the Internet as it gets published in different countries with supposedly different and independent press is a sobering experience.

Getting slightly back on track, the press (and DORNA) are fueling this nonsense with Sic and I hope it doesn't end badly. The only video I have seen survive on the Internet without them shutting it down is the one with Dani and Sic before the press conference where they seated them alongside one another.

Enjoy the Scotch. F#€k it dude, I might fix myself a Black Russian.

[ipso]

Re: this from the on-track thread:

I had to laugh at the commentary we get here, with ten laps to go (Gavin Emmett ?) said that's it, Stoner's got [it,] and I thought hmm.....it isn't over until the Chequer....

It was Nick Harris, and he is killing me with his constant mumbling interruptions of Gavin; with nervous (desperate) insecurity, taking over the sentence with muddling pre-agreements “yes-yes-yes” three words into Gavin’s new sentence - especially when the sentence is a direct contradiction to that which Nick himself just said in the sentence before – PATHETIC – constant - beyond distracting.

He obviously does not know that interrupting people is rude - since he does it maybe 100 times an hour on average. Please - less caffeine for Nick!

But Gavin suffers so well (I can hear him grinding his teeth.) I want to hookup the BBC expat hack on another machine, but I don’t like being subject to broadcast times (vs. having the motogp.com sessions on-demand after the fact.)

[ipso]

And where is Lucy? Get back here and entertain us. We miss you!

What’s your damage Heather?

[TheSecondStain]

And where is Lucy? Get back here and entertain us. We miss you!

What’s your damage Heather?

She reckoned she's had enough. Too much bickering [here and there] and boring races. I must admit, for similar reasons, I nearly went the same way.

[Domino]

So Casey's at it again this time with Karel Abraham? This guy attracts more trouble than Simoncelli does, but at least with Marco he is trying to produce results the only way he knows how. Casey just seems to want to be the alpha dog of the practice sessions. I guess it is only a matter of time before someone gets really tired of it.

[Gustav O]

So Casey's at it again this time with Karel Abraham? This guy attracts more trouble than Simoncelli does, but at least with Marco he is trying to produce results the only way he knows how. Casey just seems to want to be the alpha dog of the practice sessions. I guess it is only a matter of time before someone gets really tired of it.

According to some sources ABraham was following Casey and in one corner Casey shut the throttle/braked and Abraham nearly took him out and afterwards they collided when Casey accelerated again. Abraham walked over to the HRC pit box and their teams had to separate them.

[Tourn46]

According to some sources ABraham was following Casey and in one corner Casey shut the throttle/braked and Abraham nearly took him out and afterwards they collided when Casey accelerated again. Abraham walked over to the HRC pit box and their teams had to separate them.

That is just idiotic and dangerous. It's not like Abraham would have kept up with him.

[Tormo4ever]

Seems Elías is finally getting canned from LCR

[L34]

Seems Elías is finally getting canned from LCR

Who has his ride?

[Domino]

So Casey's at it again this time with Karel Abraham? This guy attracts more trouble than Simoncelli does, but at least with Marco he is trying to produce results the only way he knows how. Casey just seems to want to be the alpha dog of the practice sessions. I guess it is only a matter of time before someone gets really tired of it.

According to some sources ABraham was following Casey and in one corner Casey shut the throttle/braked and Abraham nearly took him out and afterwards they collided when Casey accelerated again. Abraham walked over to the HRC pit box and their teams had to separate them.

You I have heard a couple of versions, the other is that Karel was going slow and or waiting for a tow and Casey came around the turn and collided with Karel. The angry Abraham marched right on down to HRC to have words with Casey...

Fact is that there have been many incidents like this this year with only one common factor, Stoner. When you have a pattern like that it indicates a pattern of behavior on that individual's behalf.


Casy himself punched RDP for going slow on the Racing line, so if Casey chopped the throttle and or braked hard because he was being followed doesn't that also constitute dangerous riding and warrant a punch as well?

[Tormo4ever]

Seems Elías is finally getting canned from LCR

Who has his ride?

As of now, no one yet ... they may keep him if no one turns up, but seems Lucio s had it. Best for both, i reckon ...

[Domino]

According to some sources ABraham was following Casey and in one corner Casey shut the throttle/braked and Abraham nearly took him out and afterwards they collided when Casey accelerated again. Abraham walked over to the HRC pit box and their teams had to separate them.

That is just idiotic and dangerous. It's not like Abraham would have kept up with him.

Here is how GPONE reported it:

http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/20110 ... gello.html

"It all started out on track, where Karel was waiting for Casey so he could follow the Australian around for a few laps. But as the Honda rider was overtaking his Ducati counterpart, the two made contact; neither of them crashed, but the coming together was sufficient to leave a few visible scratches on the RC212V."

"Abraham seemed to feel that Stoner deliberately moved over to cause the contact, while Casey lamented the Czech rider's habit of waiting around on track for a tow."

[Tormo4ever]

PArt of the prpblem is that no one feels there is a governing body that actually takes decisions about this kind of stuff. Any pro league woudl have these two guys fined , straight away , no questions aasked. But fines are useless for people who make so much money. There should be a standard cause of action for these incidents.