Could Stoner win the title with 3 Manufacturers?

[sir_nj]

while it seems most don't doubt he could, since the other general consensus is that he won't bother, perhaps a more interesting question is what would it take for him to want to?

I doubt it would be for money, he might do it just to prove he could but I wonder if he would do it out of spite? I doubt it really but here is a possible scenario. It seems that Casey put up with a lot of crap (lack of change) at the red shop and so he seems to be able to tolerate/cope OK, but as he matures his tolerance may wane and who knows what would happen if super sic knocked him off and Honda said "so what?" If that scenario eventuated I suspect it is more likely Stoner would simply finish his contract and walk away without another word.

[Sloth27]

Unfortunately, I only really see Stoner doing 2-3 more years at Honda and then retiring, never to be heard of again...
Mind you, that could mean walking away a 4 or 5 times WC. The only records he cares about are the wins against his current competition, and Lorenzo & Pedrosa are going to need perfect seasons to have a chance at beating him in that respect.

And as for a stint in WSBK -

[yzr750]

Although I agree with you, my question is how much was Dani's heart in it this year after missing 4 races?

Prior to Le Mans, Pedro had 61pts and Stoner had 41pts - admittedly Stoner was wiped out in Jerez, but Pedro would have had a lot more to go for then than he did after missing 4 races. Would he risk anything on a season that won't be fruitful anyway?

I think his heart had to be in it, look at it this way, he's been the no1 rider in the biggest team in the paddock for six years, and not won a championship, a new guy comes in to the team, and in his first race on the bike disappears in to the distance and wins the race, a race that he has never won. He comes back from injury and sees the new guy leading the championship, and looking likely to win it, something he has never managed. Basically you see your no1 status being eroded.
Remembering that all these riders are intensely competitive, does he say, ah well, I can't be bothered trying for the rest of the year because I've got no chance of winning the championship, and let the new guy take his no1 status without a fight, or does he say right, I'll show them I'm still the fastest rider in this team, I'm still the no1 rider,I'm the one who's input they should be listening to regarding the design for next years bike.
His speed relative to Stoner will have a bearing on the direction of the new bike, so it wasn't just this year that he had to worry about.

[CLX]

Don't ask me why, but I guess the only statistic or mathematical feat that would ever tease and please him is to have a whole lot of wins. 50 plus to be around Doohan, who he'd never want to be compared to but would certainly be great company. He could easily reach that in some 3 or 4 years, depeding on how the RC213V rides, and retire.

[CLX]

Lorenzo, OTOH, seems more addicted to all the thrills, joys and glory. He could stick around as long as he has fun and wins, which can perfectly go on for many more seasons given his quality.

[Doca]

By the way, referring to your question: the list of 500cc/Motogp WC winners on different bikes is a short one:
- Geoff Duke (Gilera and Norton)
- Giacomo Agostini (MV Agusta and Yamaha)
- Eddie Lawson (Honda and Yamaha)
- Valentino Rossi (Honda and Yamaha)
and now:
- Casey Stoner (Ducati and Honda)

The answer therefore is: NOBODY has ever won WC's on 3 different brands. This would be a first!

Hans

This is what I suspected but didn't know for sure.

It occurred to me that Casey has said many times that you can't compare the no. of wins from a different era to the present day as the no. of races is different & the level of competition is always different. Also, to total the no. of wins to trouble the wining statistics would seem along way away.
WC's with 3 different manufactures would be achievable and more importantly , unique.

Even if Casey doesn't have a direct ambition to win with a different manufacturer most marriages end in divorce & the are lots of reasons I can see where there might be enough friction at at Honda where Yamaha or even Suzuki could lever him away. It wouldn't have to be in the next few years as he is only 26!

It seems that the the consensus is he will not be in Motogp for too long before retiring into obscurity, I'm not so sure. I think he will stay while ever he thinks he has a chance of winning the WC especially if he is able to dictate how much of his personal time he has to invest in it i.e. minimal media commitments.

[Oscar]

It seems that the the consensus is he will not be in Motogp for too long before retiring into obscurity, I'm not so sure. I think he will stay while ever he thinks he has a chance of winning the WC especially if he is able to dictate how much of his personal time he has to invest in it i.e. minimal media commitments.

I suspect he'll stay around for as long as he believes that he is doing something that has personal value - and that seems to be very much a family trait. It's quite noticeable that his parents have stepped back and are not hanging off his coat-tails, as it were, but getting on with their own lives as well as continuing to be the strong support they always were.

There may also be (and frankly I would be surprised if there were not) an understanding between Stoner and his wife about how long this kind of life would go on. While Adriana seems to be almost supernaturally calm and trusting that her husband can overcome the risks of racing it can't be easy to watch, week after week, riders getting thrown along the track - especially when they're people you pretty much live with during the season. I'd not be at all surprised if when the Pebble is old enough to be starting schooling, Stoner will pull the pin.

[Nucci]

As K mentioned, Casey isn't interested in setting records, these are just a consequence of his skill and determination.

I had the opportunity to talk to Colin Stoner at Silverstone, and definitely got the impression that Casey won't be slogging it out in MotoGP for years to come.

Casey has invested a fair bit into good grazing land around the area he grew up in, and with the first of what I am guessing will be a few young ones along the way, I wouldn't be too surprised if Casey hangs up his boots around the time he turns thirty.

With his second championship, he probably he feels he has nothing left to prove and apart from the thrill of winning is just looking to secure a very comfortable future for his family.

[RedJet]

Longer answer = Ask Oscar

Me thinks my lugubrious ramblings have earned me a flogging with scented bootlaces!.

A pleasure.

I guess I'm guilty of always leaving 'em begging for air, rather than more, but I'll try to be a little more succinct.

...and then you go on to write a 543 word reply...

I hope you realize that my comment was all love - really. I adore your posts and your analysis. Usually when I see one of your, er, books posted I grab a cup of coffee and settle in for every word, even all 543.

Usually resulting in this:

Rats & Rusty: You can have that emoticon...I actually made it with my little fingers.

[Oscar]

...and then you go on to write a 543 word reply...

That WAS the condensed version!!

[TwoStroke Institute]

Stoner would be perfect for proposed* 2T 500cc Past Masters






* T&C are TBA

[rumerz]

I think Casey Stoner could win it on the Yamaha and the Suzuki.

[Upon1]

I'd not be at all surprised if when the Pebble is old enough to be starting schooling, Stoner will pull the pin.

love it! Pebble! That's awesome!

[motomania]

What if it's Nugget instead?

[Japhrodisiac]

Potentially negative connotations aside, wouldn't Gravel be more appropriate?

[Squidpuppet]

When I think of Pebbles, I see...



So if they have a boy, its only natural to think of...

[WayneG]

Interesting quote from Wayne Rainey about Casey on SuperbikePlanet.

Asked if he sees similarities between himself and Stoner, Rainey answered, "Yes I totally agree with you. I don't know him very well, but when I see him race I have the impression I know who he is. He is a guy of another time. You can see that he likes to be on the bike, and that nothing else seems to matter too much to him."

From here: http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Nov/111101-60.htm

[Zaphod]

I could see another two/three years....then gone.

Records don't seem to drive him.


.......and for the Aussies here..............he seemed quite interested in a car career after bikes when T.V caught up with him at Bathurst this year, or was that just me ?

To me ( I could be very wrong), two or three more titles and get out with (hopefully) no lingering injuries.


@ 1:02s............very coy. Judge for yourself.

http://youtu.be/DvlzPF2M-VQ

"That'd be a long way away......."...........Hmmmmmm is 2 to 3 years a long way away ?................Roland Dane seemed rather chuffed............

Probably just me...............