Zaphod wrote:I just don't get it Coyote........you're calling Sic in the wrong and dangerous for the Lemans thing, but somehow Marquez had every right to swerve into another riders path, when he was by that point, going much slower, to defend a line he no longer owned.
No-one is imagining this stuff, and I reckon even Salvador Dahli would struggle with your surrealist take on who's in the wrong. A completely avoidable racing incident. What you are saying is that Pol should have realised it MM, stopped and let him maintain the position he had before he made a mistake.
I thought they were racing, and if someone stuffs up and creates a gap, you go for it. It's not like Marquez closed the door, or was closing the door, before Pol arrived.
He closed it when Pol got there.
Fact.
Check any of the availiable video.
And if Pol had been seriously hurt, that's fine is it ? Most other, in fact I can't think of one rider who shows on a regular basis such scant disregard for the safety of those around him.
The guy is either a bonehead, or, as these things seem to occur predomiately on his left hand side, he can't see out of his left eye.
As Squid said, you'd be up in arms if it happened the other way 'round.
........oh, wait a minute.....it did at LeMans last year, and you are.
Fair call though, we're all idiots who know squat, and we should at least have the good grace and common sense to wait until one of his stupid moves seriously injure, or god forbid worse, another rider.
Then we may consider that he might have made a mistake.
"If were still comparing the Simo-Dani incident to this, Dani was braking at the absolute limit in his line inside meaning he couldn't possibly try to make any adjustments to his line. Simo decides to cut in front of Dani and try to hit the apex but he overestimates his position to Dani and isn't far enough ahead, takes Danis front away and there you go. Had Simo taken a line half a meter from the apex they would've probably both made the corner and he would've emerged ahead out of it.
Here Pol sees the opportunity and tries to get ahead before the transition to the right hander. He gets half/3/4 of his bike alongside Marquez while Marq is all the time taking his line towards the normal line, which is as inside as possible. At this point Espargaro should've seen there was no way he was going to make it without hitting Marquez and rolled off the throttle, bide his time, take Marquez on the straight and get onto the podium. He didn't, miscalculated and ended up in the gravel trap. Had he been slightly ahead towards the end of the corner, Marquez would've seen him and never taken the inside (or he would've hit Espargaros side and been at fault obviously."
There is my post and it really isn't that difficult to understand. Yes they were racing. Espargaro was never fully alongside of Marquez, always a bit behind. Marquez was taking his normal racing line (which I pointed out he never veered significantly off) and they both arrived at the crucial point with MArquez slightly ahead and the right side to the next corner.
One last time. Pol was never "there", Marquez didn't hit from behind to the side of him but his side was hit while he was in the racing line in front, unaware of a rider hitting him.
On the other hand, you have stated frequently that you like neither Pedrosa or Marquez which does nothing to help your credibility in discussing race situationg involving Marquez, additionally using a race situation involving Pedrosa as an example.
Watch the helicopter view, then come here and tell me where he hit him. I couldn't care less what onboard cameras show.