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[Squidpuppet]

LOL again. Massage it all you want. Eliminate all Rossis crashes to "fit" your claims and predictions.

So what you're saying is that we can use these crashes to predict future crashes? Do you not see how ridiculous that is or are you being deliberately obtuse?

Were you saying Nicky was going to rout Stoner after Le Mans 2010?

Why do you keep bringing Stoner into the debate?

I am not saying that the past crashes are an indication of future crashes. I am saying that they are proof that Rossi is experiencing difficulty adapting to the bike. And, that those races (except where either rider is punted by another rider) should not be eliminated from the stat pool.

I am comparing 2 riders, on equal bikes, on equal tires, riding during the same seasons. That seems pretty fair.

Rossi had 1 podium (3rd) last year. Nicky had 1 podium (3rd) last year.

Rossi finished the season in 7th with 139 points. Nicky finished in 8th with 132 points.

This year they have each beaten the other 3 times and less than 10 points separate them.

I see that as the Big Picture. I dont see that as cherrypicking.

[tom]

I wouldn't bother squid

[Squidpuppet]

I wouldn't bother squid

From the Marquez thread....

I'll bow out now before I say something that will get me banned.

Enjoy the rest of the season.

You tried to warn me weeks ago, I was just too stupid/stuborn to listen.

[tom]

The pull if the Dark side is strong, resist it you must! I have wrote a few replys as well only to smack myself on the back of the head and delete the draft

[Squidpuppet]

The pull if the Dark side is strong, resist it you must! I have wrote a few replys as well only to smack myself on the back of the head and delete the draft

Effort to resist, a greater one I shall make.

[coyote]

LOL again. Massage it all you want. Eliminate all Rossis crashes to "fit" your claims and predictions.

So what you're saying is that we can use these crashes to predict future crashes? Do you not see how ridiculous that is or are you being deliberately obtuse?

Were you saying Nicky was going to rout Stoner after Le Mans 2010?

Why do you keep bringing Stoner into the debate?

I am not saying that the past crashes are an indication of future crashes. I am saying that they are proof that Rossi is experiencing difficulty adapting to the bike. And, that those races (except where either rider is punted by another rider) should not be eliminated from the stat pool.

I am comparing 2 riders, on equal bikes, on equal tires, riding during the same seasons. That seems pretty fair.

Rossi had 1 podium (3rd) last year. Nicky had 1 podium (3rd) last year.

Rossi finished the season in 7th with 139 points. Nicky finished in 8th with 132 points.

This year they have each beaten the other 3 times and less than 10 points separate them.

I see that as the Big Picture. I dont see that as cherrypicking.

I keep bringing Stoner to it as an example, you're doing a nice job avoiding the point.

I took Nickys crashes away as well, you seemed to miss it.

Cherrypicking the facts as in "Nicky beat Rossi in the final 3 races last year." Presuming you left Sepang out, in 2 of them Rossi was taken out in the 1st lap and in PI he had clearly superior pace as well.

You no doubt cherrypick and generalize when it suits your point, which is fine, only human. The matter of fact is that there is a difference in beating, and finishing higher in the stat sheet when the faster guy was taken out or crashed. Hayden didn't beat Rossi 40 % of the time in 2011 (but 3), just like he didn't beat Stoner 7 times in 2010 (but 1) . There is no point in analyzing or discussing anything if in your opinion the only thing we need to do is watch the finishing results.

Why was the difference so small in points between them? In about 6-7 races where Rossi convincingly beat Hayden (by 10+ seconds) there was a gaggle of Hondas + Lorenzo + Spies etc. bikes ahead of him as well, so his efforts were only good enough for 5th-7th, while Hayden finished 7th-9th simultaneously. The difference doesn't show on points much in that case.

[Zaphod]

Who cares ?

It's a shit bike, with two riders who are coming to the end of their careers. Nicky's good, Rossi's good. On decent machinery, and with his ego, confidence and desire in peak (or even good) form, Rossi smokes Hayden. I don't see the point of the debate.

If both riders had other team options open to them, it's a fair bet they'd jump at the chance.

It's like Bautista at Suzuki. Are you going to ride at the absolute limit, risking a fall and possible injury, to improve the finishing position of a pile of junk by one, maybe two places ?

Bautista gets on something halfway competitive and all of a sudden he's remembered how to ride ?

Give me a break !



If I had 9 titles to my name, and nothing to prove (to anyone but myself).......be buggered if I'd ride a sh!tbox in a manner that was likely to result in tears.

I'd ride it to where it should probably finish on merit, tell the factory to fix it (like they should have started to do years ago !) and see what they can do.

You've all been around this stuff long enough to know, that even if it was the latest, greatest, hungriest kid on the block fanging around on that red abomination, the thing would finish where it does now, or crash out of third/fourth/fifth every second week.

Ducati got Hayden, 'cause no-one else would ride the thing, and he had nowhere else to go.

Ducati got Rossi 'cause he had no other options, and they thought he could "Stoner" them back to the pointy end of the field.



Ducati have learned that they have to do the hard work they were trying to avoid.

Rossi learned nearly the same thing as Ducati.



a) Stoner is something very special,

b) You should never burn your bridges.

[Oscar]

Well said, that man. Pretty much summarises the cogent points, leaves sod-all to debate, frankly.

[Rusty Bucket USA]

http://motomatters.com/blog/2012/06/21/photographer_s_blog_this_is_no_sport_for.html

http://motomatters.com/news/2012/06/21/scott_jones_at_silverstone_2012_race_day.html