Marquez

[Gustav O]

That said, I think it is pretty well accepted that the Suter is the best frame out there and it is well known that it was developed around him and that Suter has given him most of their attention.

Is it well accepted it is the best frame? I am honestly asked because I want to know what people base that on because I want to know and I haven´t read enough about the frames to know.

[RatsMC]

That said, I think it is pretty well accepted that the Suter is the best frame out there and it is well known that it was developed around him and that Suter has given him most of their attention.

Is it well accepted it is the best frame? I am honestly asked because I want to know what people base that on because I want to know and I haven´t read enough about the frames to know.

Well, last year, it was the frame everyone wanted and the 2012 version was the one that no one could get. Whether it was real or not, the teams on the grid seemed to believe it was the best and as was pointed out, Marquez said the 2012 version was worth nearly half a second.

[Rusty Bucket USA]

I get what you're saying/asking, too, Gustav, but I think "the best" has as much to do with what Rats is talking as attention from the factory as anything else. It has to be true that it is the bike most developed for one specific rider. Whether that makes it "better" for others on the same bike, or not any better than riders on other bikes, gets us back to the same debate we've had elsewhere. We can't know if the Kalex riders are overcoming their bikes with superior riding (or setup work), or if they're each giving away something at certain tracks.

The fact that 3 different bikes feature in the top 4 nearly every week is remarkable, in its own right, compared to the expectations from the past 2 years.

[Cam D]

http://www.fim-live.com/en/media/news/news-detail/article/1340821070-cdi-appeal-of-team-pons-40-hp-tuenti/
27/06/12 - 20:17

The International Disciplinary Court (CDI) chaired by Judge Frantisek Schulmann, convened a Hearing today at the TT Assen Circuit to judge the Appeal lodged by the team of the Spanish rider Pol Espargaró against a decision of the FIM Stewards taken following the Moto2 race of the Grand Premi Aperol held on the circuit of Catalunya on 03 June 2012.

Rider Marc Márquez, #93, was initially sanctioned by the Race Direction with a 1-minute time penalty to be added to his overall time for infringement of Article 1.21.2 of the Road Racing World Championship Grand Prix regulations. As a result, he finished with rank 23.

Upon an Appeal lodged by rider Márquez before the FIM Stewards against the decision of the Race Direction and after having viewed and reviewed many times the collision between the riders Márquez and Espargaró, the three FIM Stewards unanimously decided that the behaviour of Marc Márquez showed no deliberate intention to cause an accident. Consequently, the first appeal body composed of the three FIM Stewards quashed the decision of the Race Direction.

Following the FIM Stewards’ decision, the team of rider Espargaró, Pons 40 HP Tuenti, lodged in due time an Appeal against the FIM Stewards’ decision. Following today’s Hearing of the Appellant and due consideration having been given to all arguments and to videos of the collision, the CDI judge decided to receive but then to dismiss the appeal of the Team Pons 40 HP Tuenti.

A reasoned decision will be notified to the Appellant in due time. An Appeal against this decision may be lodged before the Court of Arbitration of Sport (CAS) within five days following the notification of the written Appeal to the team Pons 40 HP Tuenti.

[Zaphod]

I don't care where riders come from, either...I like Dovi and he is from Italy. I like Crutchlow and he is a Pom and I even like Stoner and he is from New South Wales ... I'm not just biased towards Victorians ....

Magee with a helmet on, riding a bike would be the only exception to that rule on Northerners (said from Tasmania).

[Gustav O]

I get what you're saying/asking, too, Gustav, but I think "the best" has as much to do with what Rats is talking as attention from the factory as anything else. It has to be true that it is the bike most developed for one specific rider. Whether that makes it "better" for others on the same bike, or not any better than riders on other bikes, gets us back to the same debate we've had elsewhere. We can't know if the Kalex riders are overcoming their bikes with superior riding (or setup work), or if they're each giving away something at certain tracks.

The fact that 3 different bikes feature in the top 4 nearly every week is remarkable, in its own right, compared to the expectations from the past 2 years.

That makes sense - he and Iannone are the ones that probably has the frames mostly developed especially for them. Good point and I will stop asking the same question now.

[Gustav O]

This doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Why would they switch from Suter, probably the best chassis right now, to FTR?

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/181253 ... witch.html

The Suter is far from the best chassis. The Kalex does the business, uses tires less, is faster and easier to ride. But Kalex will not supply any more teams with chassis (even for Julian Simon), so teams wanting to ditch chassis have to go with what is available.

From the Forward switching frames thread.

[Zaphod]

Well, he'd better get used to it.

Chatter world for him next season.

[RatsMC]

This doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Why would they switch from Suter, probably the best chassis right now, to FTR?

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/181253 ... witch.html

The Suter is far from the best chassis. The Kalex does the business, uses tires less, is faster and easier to ride. But Kalex will not supply any more teams with chassis (even for Julian Simon), so teams wanting to ditch chassis have to go with what is available.

From the Forward switching frames thread.

But that is the customer Suter which is not the same as the one Marquez has.

[Gustav O]

But that is the customer Suter which is not the same as the one Marquez has.

So Krop is notnwell informed on the situation in Moto2 when he says the Suter is not the best frame?

[Kropotkin]

But that is the customer Suter which is not the same as the one Marquez has.

Marquez is making up for the Suter.

[RatsMC]

But that is the customer Suter which is not the same as the one Marquez has.

Marquez is making up for the Suter.

Fair enough. I'll admit to not really following Moto2 very closely this year.

[Tom94]

I don't think anybody can say he isn't trying. He did his fastest lap even though there was a rolling parking lot going into the last shikane before the start and finish straight. After that he had a couple of those "out of the saddle moments" and managed to high side in the last lap. These don't happen when you think "OK I got this one in the bag" and call it a day. If he does win the championship I think his sheer determination will do it for him. Others have shown the same pace but not been able to do it so constantly. A friend of mine who lives close by has worked with him now for the last three years and made the comment MM has only his focus on the bike, nothing else. MM is young and as such will do some stupid things but in between will show the brilliance that is expected of him in the future. Time will tell.

[Tom94]

Yep, today he kept his nose clean, stayed out of trouble, made clean passes, and timed things perfectly at the end.

[Gar]

Marquez ran a perfectly clean race.

Now let's talk about Cortese!

[sumone]

Assen was another race where it was clear to see Marquez had an unfair power advantage.

[Gustav O]

Assen was another race where it was clear to see Marquez had an unfair power advantage.

Please.....

[Pantah]

Please+1

[Gar]

Assen was another race where it was clear to see Marquez had an unfair power advantage.

Please.....

There is more than one way to have a better drive down the straight. Marquez gets on the power very early.

[RatsMC]

Enough! Any more bickering and I will start banning people.

Keep the discussion on-topic.

[Squidpuppet]

Assen was another race where it was clear to see Marquez had an unfair power advantage.

Please.....

Please+1

Agreed. I dont think his bike has any more power than the others. Redding and Iannone are just way bigger and heavier. Thats just a fact of life and a part of racing.

[Squidpuppet]

Does anyone have any idea what that nasty sound is when there is onboard footage from Marcs bike. It was present when he crashed in QP, but it was there during the race as well.

[Gustav O]

Does anyone have any idea what that nasty sound is when there is onboard footage from Marcs bike. It was present when he crashed in QP, but it was there during the race as well.

The rattling sound? Has to be something close to the microphone that is rattling as it is just during braking and not when he is accelerating. I have no clue to what it is though..

[Squidpuppet]

Does anyone have any idea what that nasty sound is when there is onboard footage from Marcs bike. It was present when he crashed in QP, but it was there during the race as well.

The rattling sound? Has to be something close to the microphone that is rattling as it is just during braking and not when he is accelerating. I have no clue to what it is though..

It seemed to go up and down in pitch with the rise and fall of the RPM though.

[JanBros]

I thought I'd seen something hanging lose on a wire at the back of his bike (after the race finished), and I immediatly thought "ahaa, that's what I heard".

it was hanging near his exhaust, so that might explain why the noise changed with the revs.