2012 WSBK Phillip Island - Racing Season Opens **Spoilers**

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Re: 2012 WSBK Phillip Island - Racing Season Opens

Postby Cam D on Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:59 am

Max was on fire in the second race. He is so smooth!
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Re: 2012 WSBK Phillip Island - Racing Season Opens

Postby Sloth27 on Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:51 am

A tough weekend for many at Phillip Island. Biaggi and Checa continue to embarrass the rest of the WSBK field - I mean they're 40+ years old and handing out lessons. Respect to them both.
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Re: 2012 WSBK Phillip Island - Racing Season Opens

Postby JanBros on Sun Feb 26, 2012 2:30 pm

That second race from Biaggi was outstanding , probably one of his best.

And the power from that Aprilia :shock: No wonder Randy De Puniet is already close to the satelite Duc's on his ART.
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Re: 2012 WSBK Phillip Island - Racing Season Opens

Postby RatsMC on Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:01 am

The real news we can take from this weekend is that Kawasaki have sorted out their tire problems and BMW have made huge progress in getting the electronics sorted. The Kawis were still going backward but got a lot further up and went only a little bit back - and only at the very end of the race. Very nice to see.

The other big news? Effenburg Ducati have apparently sold their souls to the devil. Damn impressive seeing all of the fighting that close to the front.
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Re: 2012 WSBK Phillip Island - Racing Season Opens

Postby Gustav O on Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:00 am

A shame Yamaha is not in their any more. I think they would have been competitive this year as well.
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Re: 2012 WSBK Phillip Island - Racing Season Opens

Postby RatsMC on Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:04 am

I would so love to have seen Haga back on a Yamaha in WSBK.
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Re: 2012 WSBK Phillip Island - Racing Season Opens

Postby Faster1 on Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:03 pm

,, well I liked it, and after only two races, I reserve the right to be optimistic.

wishful observations:
That Aprilia looks stupid fast (it's got to be illegal ;) ),, yet I don't see Max locking up the championship quite yet
Melandri is sooo underrated and, when comfortable can stay with anyone. 13th to second.. MOTM for me.
That Bimer' looks to be almost as powerful as the aprilia.
Checa is still looks to be the favorite but it's should be down to the wire.
Sykes/Kawi have come a long way but,,, he's still wearing the black off of the hoops before anyone else does

Props to Haslm and Laverty for riding broken,, they'll both should be podium bound a few times this year.
Honorable mention to Gintoli,, nice guys don't finish last.

Only disappointment for me? Rea/Honda - My pre-season pick for the title. Did Honda pull a Ducati and use up the resources on the gp effort, saving nothing for the street racers.?
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Re: 2012 WSBK Phillip Island - Racing Season Opens

Postby Nachlauf on Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:34 am

Gustav O wrote:A shame Yamaha is not in their any more. I think they would have been competitive this year as well.

I think so too. Sure, what Spies did with the R1 was nothing short of amazing. But Crutchlow and Melandri made it a winner too. It's sad they simply left. With a decent rider it should have been good enough to fight for podiums at least.
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Re: 2012 WSBK Phillip Island - Racing Season Opens

Postby RatsMC on Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:41 am

Faster1 wrote:Sykes/Kawi have come a long way but,,, he's still wearing the black off of the hoops before anyone else does


The Hondas were wearing tires even faster and it looked to me like the BMWs as well. Kawasaki is still eating tires but it looked like they were at least able to make it to the end before the tires were gone, unlike last year.
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Re: 2012 WSBK Phillip Island - Racing Season Opens **Spoiler

Postby Gustav O on Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:56 am

The young guys really have to step up their game though. Checa and Biaggi showed them no respect and really schooled them. Both of them were really impressive.
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Re: 2012 WSBK Phillip Island - Racing Season Opens **Spoiler

Postby Cam D on Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:21 am

I realise the Aprilia is bloody quick but something that I thought stood out is that Max was quite a bit faster through, and out of, the last turn (coming onto the straight). In fact he seemed faster into and mid turns as well. That was a very well sorted bike and he made the most of it. Carlos is doing the same thing with his bike. Those two old blokes have the edge on the rest of the field.
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Re: 2012 WSBK Phillip Island - Racing Season Opens **Spoiler

Postby oldboyonrgv on Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:34 am

Both have spent most of their racing lives on proper GP bikes, I wouldnt expect any different.....
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Re: 2012 WSBK Phillip Island - Racing Season Opens

Postby Hansd on Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:06 pm

RatsMC wrote:Effenburg Ducati have apparently sold their souls to the devil. Damn impressive seeing all of the fighting that close to the front.

It's Effenbert.
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Re: 2012 WSBK Phillip Island - Racing Season Opens **Spoiler

Postby RatsMC on Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:30 pm

I was corrected in the CRT thread.


RatsMC wrote:I was actually just sorting that out. Several articles (including one here on the main site as well as on Crash and The Guardian) have it spelled Effenberg. Since we don't have the brand over here, I wasn't sure.
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Re: 2012 WSBK Phillip Island - Racing Season Opens **Spoiler

Postby Faster1 on Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:25 pm

,,Finally saw the WSS race from PI, not because I waited, but because that Sh*t-hole network SPEED Channel which pretends to be about racing doesn’t think that anyone would watch so they find some empty random hour to fill sometime @ Wednesday after the Sunday event. There are few things I despise more than the scum who run SPEED channel. There is no organization less equipped or qualified to cater to the “real race fan”. None of their bike racing coverage is live so you would think that they could stop the tape during those over abundant commercial breaks, but no,, they just roll off the sound mid sentence go away for 2 minute, then come back and the running order is changed, but you don’t know how. Die Speed channel! Anyway, the race was very good!!

Kenan Frikin Sofoglu!! , he had a forgettable moto2 debut last year, injuries and family tragedies and all. But PI showed why he is still one of the fastest around. He called his shot right around the half-way mark, picked up two places in two turns to take the lead and never looked back. It's going to be a good year. Damn shame that Yamaha didn’t field a bike after winning the title on a 2 year old machine last year. I doubt it would have broken the bank to roll the R6 out one more time. And Suzuki??? WTF. Why do they still make a new hyper-sport 600 if they’re not going to show it off on the world stage? It’s Super sport,, probably one of the least expensive classes of international racing by a long shot.

In spite of all that, this is what MC racing is all about, lots of passing for the lead, great riders on closely matched bikes ringing the piss out of them. I love yelling at the TV.
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Re: 2012 WSBK Phillip Island - Racing Season Opens **Spoiler

Postby Cam D on Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:12 am

What is the general opinion on why Keenan didn't go so well in Moto2, but easily runs up front in WSS? He floundered in SBK but there were understandable circumstances involved. My gut feeling is the level of competition in Moto2, is higher than in WSS. I'm not talking about outright speed or lap times, more about the competition from other riders. From memeory the ride he had in Moto2 was reasonably decent, but he seemed to get carved up pretty easily. He hasn't cared about dishing it out, but in the past he has complained about his competitors aggressive riding. Maybe Moto2 was a bit robust for him?

edit: Having a bit of a search..... finished 17th, broke his foot in a huge high side @ Indi and took out J Simon in Catalan. Couple of dnf's, and it sounds like there was no money in the team. Also seems he paid 350,000 Euro for the Kawaski ride? http://www.habermonitor.com/en/haber/de ... 39i/72332/
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Re: 2012 WSBK Phillip Island - Racing Season Opens **Spoiler

Postby RatsMC on Sat Mar 03, 2012 4:04 am

He had a really bad season off track last year with his father dying, injury and a team that just wasn't coming together. I think the level of talent is higher in Moto2 but I also think there is greater discrepancy between bikes. I'm fairly certain the Sofuoglu could do well in the series but circumstances have interfered.
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Re: 2012 WSBK Phillip Island - Racing Season Opens **Spoiler

Postby Cam D on Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:39 am

I wonder if Kevin actually watched the racing? http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Feb ... -34x34.htm Oh! And a belated congrats to Broc for the win!
"Broc Parkes, the local kid, won the Supersport race. I think that's kind of what we saw in practice and testing. He's been fast all pre-season, whether they've been testing at Phillip Island or anywhere else. He was one of those kids last year that you watched him gain more experience, more confidence, and race closer and closer to the front, and threaten for race wins. "

Broc has been running at the front for far longer than just last year......Ol' No:34 is losin' it.
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Re: 2012 WSBK Phillip Island - Racing Season Opens **Spoiler

Postby sam30 on Sun Mar 04, 2012 1:40 am

Cam D wrote:I wonder if Kevin actually watched the racing? http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Feb ... -34x34.htm Oh! And a belated congrats to Broc for the win!
"Broc Parkes, the local kid, won the Supersport race. I think that's kind of what we saw in practice and testing. He's been fast all pre-season, whether they've been testing at Phillip Island or anywhere else. He was one of those kids last year that you watched him gain more experience, more confidence, and race closer and closer to the front, and threaten for race wins. "

Broc has been running at the front for far longer than just last year......Ol' No:34 is losin' it.


Not to mention the fact that Broc was 3rd in that race :lol:
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Re: 2012 WSBK Phillip Island - Racing Season Opens **Spoiler

Postby Nachlauf on Sun Mar 04, 2012 1:43 am

Cam D wrote:What is the general opinion on why Keenan didn't go so well in Moto2, but easily runs up front in WSS?

I don't care about the general opinion. But there was an interview late last year where he stated, that his riding style was the problem. We know he had a leg injury which caused him to limp for much of the season. But on top of that he stated that his riding style caused him to fatigue too early. I'm sure he tried to balance it out somehow, but it didn't seem to work either in fitness or in results. Why it works in WSS I don't quite understand either. Tires? Competition? Distance? No idea...
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Re: 2012 WSBK Phillip Island - Racing Season Opens **Spoiler

Postby Cam D on Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:11 am

Nachlauf wrote:
Cam D wrote:What is the general opinion on why Keenan didn't go so well in Moto2, but easily runs up front in WSS?

I don't care about the general opinion. But there was an interview late last year where he stated, that his riding style was the problem. We know he had a leg injury which caused him to limp for much of the season. But on top of that he stated that his riding style caused him to fatigue too early. I'm sure he tried to balance it out somehow, but it didn't seem to work either in fitness or in results. Why it works in WSS I don't quite understand either. Tires? Competition? Distance? No idea...

I meant general opinion of the guys on the forum.
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Re: 2012 WSBK Phillip Island - Racing Season Opens **Spoiler

Postby Albert on Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:52 pm

Sloth27 wrote:A tough weekend for many at Phillip Island. Biaggi and Checa continue to embarrass the rest of the WSBK field - I mean they're 40+ years old and handing out lessons. Respect to them both.


Gustav O wrote:The young guys really have to step up their game though. Checa and Biaggi showed them no respect and really schooled them. Both of them were really impressive.


Biaggi and Melandri both said last year that the biggest difference between themselves (ex MotoGP guys) and the rest of the grid was that they were more used to the intricacies of set up parameters like electronics etc, which have crept into WSB.

Not sure that I believe it – but it’s strange that the MotoGP refugees all seem to doing well!
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Re: 2012 WSBK Phillip Island - Racing Season Opens

Postby Albert on Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:21 pm

Hansd wrote:
RatsMC wrote:Effenburg Ducati have apparently sold their souls to the devil. Damn impressive seeing all of the fighting that close to the front.

It's Effenbert.


A lot of the 4 cyl riders will be calling it "Effing" Ducati! :lol:
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