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Valencia Tests, dreams and predictions

Postby Oscar on Mon Nov 08, 2010 6:32 am

Since we are such a bunch of clever clogs here - hang on, I'll start that again.

Since we are a community of informed, analytical, unbiased watchers of the finer nuances of motoGp racing here and in just a few hours all the lads will be wandering down to the garages to kick the tyres on their new steeds ( well, Rossi will be late as usual, but JB will probably be there with a magnifying glass and a camera from way early..), what do we hope and actually think will come out of the tests?

At the top of the 'dreams' list surely comes Rossi and JB eliminating the front-end problems of the Duc in 80 seconds :lol:, Stoner blazing off into the stratosphere and Spies notching times a few tenths off Lorenzo's pace. And after lunch, more developments..

To get a little more serious: firstly Rossi. If JB says his shoulder is seriously affecting him, I have no doubt that, despite what some feel has become something of a self-serving commentary on Rossi's part, it's damn well true. Unless Ducati bring out something considerably revised in the front-end department, there's not only too much risk but also too much effort required to hold the thing rubber-side down for Rossi to get to serious grips with it. To try to get down towards Stoner's times - and particularly his QP times - would be a damn silly move and quite probably counter-productive, they need to get as much data as possible about everything the bike does to throw it down the road early. Rossi isn't silly enough to let his ego get in the way of development work.

Stoner: more likely to get somewhere towards the wilder expectations, because he seems to have the knack of feeling the limits very quickly and his reaction time to semi-loses is fairly exceptional - he can ride to the ragged edge (and of course, beyond it) almost from the moment he throws his leg over a bike. However, he seems to have learned that he's mortal and that not every bike can go to 11 every time with impunity and he'll, I think, also be wanting to establish his development credentials to HRC from the get-go, lest he be discounted before he's even hit his straps. Realistically, Dovi is the old kid on the block for these next couple of days, Pedrosa is not at all fit though he'll be wanting to throw in a few blazing laps just to stop Stoner piddling on all his trees.

Lorenzo: will surely be feeling the need to lay the foundations of his legacy as the true and undisputed lead rider and developer, and for all the cheesy celebration stuff, he's a damn serious competitor with a great team behind him. He's my pick to emerge with the most consistent very good times throughout the two days though one - or more - of the Repsol triumvirate may pip him for ultimate quickest lap.

Spies: workmanlike but mainly under-the-radar development - by which I mean he'll not set anything alight but I think he'll demonstrate that the Yamaha factory team (has there been a title sponsor announcement yet? - I don't remember one) will have the fires burning both brightly and deeply for next season. My tip for the 'quiet achiever' award.

Hayden - I suspect will be relegated more to 'yardstick' duties for Rossi than given free rein to just go and do his best.

And finally - as an overall comment - I wonder how many of the teams will remember that to develop a winning bike, it's not just necessary to do better than they did this year, but to be better than the rest. In that regard, Yamaha have the undoubted head start and they're not going to be happy to faff around.
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Re: Valencia Tests, dreams and predictions

Postby Richo on Mon Nov 08, 2010 7:18 am

Ah yes Oscar, this test is probably more anticipated than the race I think. With a couple of major moves, everyone is wanting to see how they all fair. although I think you have summed this up pretty well and as we know you cant win a title by being the fastest in practice.

I do agree that Rossi will be more feeling his way than say Stoner will be. Especially considering he is having surgery in a few days, no point in making it any worse. I also agree that Lorenzo will most likely be the fastest in these test, unless of course something surprising happens. I am probably most interested in seeing how Stoner rides the Honda compared to Dovi and Pedrosa.
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Re: Valencia Tests, dreams and predictions

Postby TwoStroke Institute on Mon Nov 08, 2010 8:44 am

Rossi will have to have the front end folds before he can gauge anything, Hayden was riding as fast as he has been this year and the front folded without any warning. Same type of cash Stoner has had many of, That isn't going to be a overnight fix.
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Re: Valencia Tests, dreams and predictions

Postby jihem on Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:50 am

TwoStroke Institute wrote:That isn't going to be a overnight fix.


JB said 80 seconds ;)

I think we'll see no much comments from Vale's garage anyway. He's still under contract and isn't allowed to say anything. But we'll soon see with the times he'll post if "he gets it" or not.

In some ways, i think this is very much a BS (with all due respect) test for him and his team. He said a few times 500cc were great to ride, and we all know they were vicious beasts, so he shouldn't be too scared of the Ducati screamer then ;) And JB pretty much said the Ducati's handling problems were no match for his expertise...I love them to succeed tho.

I pain to see Casey go to the HRC, but I'm pretty convinced that's a move everyone will regret except him cos he's just going to go statospheric with that bike.

I know no one cares, or very few, but the atmosphere in the Pramac garage will be extremely tense if things don't pan out well with Capirex (one season, if not two, too many) and de Puniet (he really, really didn't want to be on a satellite Ducati).

two interesting days for sure :)
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Re: Valencia Tests, dreams and predictions

Postby Albert on Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:22 pm

All may well be revealed tomorrow morning live on the BBC's Red Button service. It's available from 09-30 to 11-30 --- and this is one of the few times that I will give thanks to my boss for putting me on the late shift for the next couple of days!

Dreams and predictions?? Hmmm - more like one or two worries for me!
First off I worry that Casey's style may not suit the Honda! I sincerely hope that I'm wrong, but if I'm not then I hope it can be engineered to suit him!
Rossi - Read the comments on the thread by Synapse! viewtopic.php?t=9
Jorgé - I fully expect him to dominate the session but I'd Love to see Ben get quite close to his times!
Dani - he will put in some blindingly fast laps before the pain gets to him!
Dovi - I'd Love to see him be as fast as Dani, especially as he still has the equipment to do it!
Simoncelli - he's gone up a gear or two lately and I expect him to do well in the testing and to show in the top 5!

JB? He may well find a degree of difficulty working with the Italians after a lifetime spent working with the Japanese - but I doubt it! He is one of the most analytical guys in the paddock and I honestly believe that he'll be an asset to Ducati in the same way that he was an asset to Yamaha!
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Re: Valencia Tests, dreams and predictions

Postby Cam D on Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:30 pm

And Nicky?

Rossi will be fast. Lorenzo will be concentrating on making a good bike for next year, a job he is taking seriously as he has mentioned several times. Spies is a machine and will be doing the same. As a rider I reckon Jorge is becoming more like Spies as time goes on, more analytical and more forcused. Stoner's results will be interesting, but I doubt there will be any surprises from the rest. It will be very interesting to see how Abrahams goes and I reckon Nicky will be quick.
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Re: Valencia Tests, dreams and predictions

Postby Pete47 on Mon Nov 08, 2010 3:27 pm

Any news on who will be riding the second Gresini bike? I've seen no announcement of a rider officially.
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Re: Valencia Tests, dreams and predictions

Postby Tumi on Mon Nov 08, 2010 3:31 pm

jihem wrote:I know no one cares, or very few, but the atmosphere in the Pramac garage will be extremely tense if things don't pan out well with Capirex (one season, if not two, too many) and de Puniet (he really, really didn't want to be on a satellite Ducati).


I noticed Sterlacchini said "with this bike you do have to change your riding style a lot from a 250cc bike.. We saw this year with Mika (Kallio) and Aleix (Espargaró) that their experience was only in 250cc and their first MotoGP bike was the Ducati. They struggled to find the right tuning and it was difficult sometimes to find a compromise" instead of saying "we got rid of the shite riders and replaced them with fast ones" which he could have said if he wanted to.

I could imagine after seeing what Checa could achieve during his short stint maybe Pramac realised better it's not 100% about riders but the bike itself may be harder to ride than they thought.
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Re: Valencia Tests, dreams and predictions

Postby Tormo4ever on Mon Nov 08, 2010 6:28 pm

Well Elías podiumed on that bike ...
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Re: Valencia Tests, dreams and predictions

Postby Richo on Tue Nov 09, 2010 12:56 pm

I am dreaming of a dry Valencia test... clearly I must be dreaming as it is looking rather wet at the moment. Nobody is going out. Battaini did a test lap on the Ducati and that is about it so far.
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Re: Valencia Tests, dreams and predictions

Postby Albert on Tue Nov 09, 2010 1:14 pm

Richo wrote:I am dreaming of a dry Valencia test... clearly I must be dreaming as it is looking rather wet at the moment. Nobody is going out. Battaini did a test lap on the Ducati and that is about it so far.


It looks to me like Valentino has left to go and get into his leathers.
I feel that he will go out - even if it is just a couple of demo laps - and give the press the pictures that they are obviously waiting for, and look how many are set up opposite the Ducati garage as opposed to any other!

Jeez - even ex champ Carlos Lavado is waiting around with camera in hand! :lol:
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Re: Valencia Tests, dreams and predictions

Postby Kropotkin on Tue Nov 09, 2010 1:36 pm

Rossi's out. He really wobbled round on his first lap, but is increasing the pace quickly. Track is damp in spots, and cold, but it's windy and the sun is out.

He's now starting to get quicker, and sound committed.
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Re: Valencia Tests, dreams and predictions

Postby carty on Tue Nov 09, 2010 1:40 pm

I'm gutted as work has blocked the iplayer on the internet :cry:

Does anyone know if I'll be able to watch the testing on the iplayer later or is it just a live thing?
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Re: Valencia Tests, dreams and predictions

Postby MarvoGing on Tue Nov 09, 2010 1:44 pm

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Courtesy Rossi's mechanic - twitter
11:48am: All the Ducati team are huddling round Rossi to hear his verdict :o :shock:
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Re: Valencia Tests, dreams and predictions

Postby Rusty Bucket USA on Tue Nov 09, 2010 2:35 pm

Kropotkin wrote:He's now starting to get quicker, and sound committed.

I assume he's out on the "big bang" engine first?

Has the "screamer" been out yet? Did all other activity grind to a halt? ;)

Anything particularly interesting about what you heard from it, or is it just kind of like flashing back a year?
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Re: Valencia Tests, dreams and predictions

Postby Spinmaster on Tue Nov 09, 2010 4:38 pm

I know it's just testing and it's not even the end of day one of testing but this looks like 2011 is going to be a good one.

# Po. Name TeamGap First
# 1Lorenzo J. Yamaha Factory Racing 1:32.511
# 2Spies B.Yamaha Factory Racing +0.367
# 3Stoner C.HRC+0.750
# 4Pedrosa D.Repsol Honda Team+0.825
# 5Simoncelli M.San Carlo Honda Gresini+1.067
# 6Dovizioso A.Repsol Honda Team+1.247
# 7Edwards C.Monster Yamaha Tech 3+1.303
# 8Rossi V.Ducati Team+1.371
# 9Hayden N.Ducati Team+1.487
# 10Bautista A.Rizla Suzuki MotoGP+1.559
# 11Puniet R.Pramac Racing Team+1.631

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Re: Valencia Tests, dreams and predictions

Postby Kropotkin on Tue Nov 09, 2010 5:28 pm

First impressions:

Lorenzo is fast. Big surprise, right?

Stoner is scary, just blinding. I'd be afraid if I was the opposition.

Rossi is taking it gently, easing into it. He seems to be a long way from the ragged edge.

Simoncelli is looking like Stoner, fast and at the limit.

Spies is looking pretty good too, looks very similar to Lorenzo.

Hayden was on the screamer: the big bang bike sounds nicer.
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Re: Valencia Tests, dreams and predictions

Postby carty on Tue Nov 09, 2010 8:29 pm

Thank you for this info Krop :) Is Stoner looking smoother than he was on the Ducati? Is Rossi getting the Ducati bucking around at all?
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Re: Valencia Tests, dreams and predictions

Postby Squidpuppet on Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:22 pm

Oh My. There is a post test Casey Stoner interview video over at MotoGO.com, and he cant hide his pleasure with the first test. He has a HUGE grin the entire time, like a Cheshire cat who just ate the canary. He looked like a kid at Christmas time.
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Re: Valencia Tests, dreams and predictions

Postby Richo on Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:39 pm

Squidpuppet wrote:Oh My. There is a post test Casey Stoner interview video over at MotoGO.com, and he cant hide his pleasure with the first test. He has a HUGE grin the entire time, like a Cheshire cat who just ate the canary. He looked like a kid at Christmas time.


Yes, he was looking quite excited wasn't he, he couldn't hide that. I am assuming it is everything he expected and some.
Link to original video if you have a MotoGP.com subscription http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2010/Valencia+Test+2010+Day+two+MotoGP+Interview+Casey+Stoner
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Re: Valencia Tests, dreams and predictions

Postby Oscar on Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:48 pm

I notice Ducati are running the winglets but with a much revised air outlet arrangement from the fairing. They appear to be taking cooling very seriously... my bet's on that the winglet becomes a full-time fixture. Only piccy I have seen of the RHS of the bike suggests a different arrangement of exit ducting there but it's a poor piccy so that could be a wrong impression.

Overall times not really much of a guide, I think - except for the Yam factory team, that's quick from Lorenzo. I expected Dovi to be a bit quicker than he was but HRC are notorious for using certain riders as test mules for the more experimental parts. Other than that, pretty much as I expected, frankly ( pats own head in smug self-satisfaction, 'cause nobody else will..). Roll on Day 2.
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Re: Valencia Tests, dreams and predictions

Postby Kropotkin on Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:55 pm

carty wrote:Thank you for this info Krop :) Is Stoner looking smoother than he was on the Ducati? Is Rossi getting the Ducati bucking around at all?

No, and no. Which tells you all you need to know.

Squidpuppet wrote:Oh My. There is a post test Casey Stoner interview video over at MotoGO.com, and he cant hide his pleasure with the first test. He has a HUGE grin the entire time, like a Cheshire cat who just ate the canary. He looked like a kid at Christmas time.


I have never seen him look so smug and happy. The rest should be very worried indeed!
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Re: Valencia Tests, dreams and predictions

Postby Squidpuppet on Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:49 pm

Richo wrote:
Squidpuppet wrote:Oh My. There is a post test Casey Stoner interview video over at MotoGO.com, and he cant hide his pleasure with the first test. He has a HUGE grin the entire time, like a Cheshire cat who just ate the canary. He looked like a kid at Christmas time.


Yes, he was looking quite excited wasn't he, he couldn't hide that. I am assuming it is everything he expected and some.
Link to original video if you have a MotoGP.com subscription http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2010/Valencia+Test+2010+Day+two+MotoGP+Interview+Casey+Stoner


I got the vibe that there was a WHOLE LOT more that he wanted to say, but because the Ducati people have been so good to him, he chose to be politically correct for the first time in his life. :lol:
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Re: Valencia Tests, dreams and predictions

Postby Oscar on Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:37 am

Aha - from Dr. K's tweets column, Stoner was riding Pedrosa's bike from the race (?) and was quicker than Pedrosa's best lap in the race - that is, then, somewhat exceeding my expectations, TBH.
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