MOTO 3

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Re: MOTO 3

Postby yzr750 on Fri Jun 03, 2011 10:44 am

It looks quite nice, although the suspension components look a bit low rent.
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Re: MOTO 3

Postby Domino on Fri Jun 03, 2011 5:27 pm

yzr750 wrote:It looks quite nice, although the suspension components look a bit low rent.


Definitely "price point" figuring the teams would replace those with whatever they preferred any way. Very typical production racer stuff. I wonder what the maintenance schedule is like.
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Re: MOTO 3

Postby TwoStroke Institute on Fri Jun 03, 2011 11:38 pm

Domino wrote:So any thoughts on Honda's moto3 bike?


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Re: MOTO 3

Postby Domino on Sat Jun 04, 2011 4:38 am

TwoStroke Institute wrote:
Domino wrote:So any thoughts on Honda's moto3 bike?


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Is that a statement on the bike itself or the class in general?
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Re: MOTO 3

Postby JanBros on Sat Jun 04, 2011 12:57 pm

probably both :lol:
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Re: MOTO 3

Postby TwoStroke Institute on Sat Jun 04, 2011 1:21 pm

Domino wrote:
Is that a statement on the bike itself or the class in general?


The whole thing top to bottom, front to back, beginnng to end.
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Re: MOTO 3

Postby WILT on Tue Jun 07, 2011 4:16 am

If my memory serves me right the fastest single cylinder racing motorcycle was, at one time, the works moto morini 250 desmodromic, It must have produced a fair bit of horsepower to blow off works Manx Nortons and G50's!. or was that the Mondial ? age has taken its toll i,m afraid :lol:
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Re: MOTO 3

Postby Richo on Tue Jun 07, 2011 4:42 am

Maybe we should make the moto3 class riders ride around on Manx Nortons or G50's then, esentially this is a very similar class. See how far we have come in 50 years. :shock:
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Re: MOTO 3

Postby TwoStroke Institute on Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:05 pm

Richo wrote:Maybe we should make the moto3 class riders ride around on Manx Nortons or G50's then, esentially this is a very similar class. See how far we have come in 50 years. :shock:

That would be great the 'modern' 90mm bore Manx's positively fly.
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Re: MOTO 3

Postby RobboNL on Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:07 pm

Nice clean bike that NSF250R.

The patent application drawing I found earlier in a blog, seems to be correct.
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Looks like the cilinder has been tilted backwards in order to centralize mass.


Further digging on the internet revealed that since Japan has 250cc fourstroke 'GP Mono' series since 2006 !



Sounds a lot better when there is more than one on the track :)
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Re: MOTO 3

Postby JanBros on Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:33 pm

RobboNL wrote:Sounds a lot better when there is more than one on the track :)


to me, it sounds like a WW II airport/battlefield :lol:
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Re: MOTO 3

Postby WILT on Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:25 pm

Maybe we should make the moto3 class riders ride around on Manx Nortons or G50's then, esentially this is a very similar class. See how far we have come in 50 years. :shock:

I could think of a lot worse in terms of boredom. I well remember Rob Fitton hammering through Old Hall on his private Manx weaving gracefully his head still buried in the tank .Happy Days
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Re: MOTO 3

Postby Squidpuppet on Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:48 pm

RobboNL wrote:Nice clean bike that NSF250R.

The patent application drawing I found earlier in a blog, seems to be correct.


Hmmmm. I wonder why they dont just run the exhaust straight out the tail?
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Re: MOTO 3

Postby TheSecondStain on Wed Jun 08, 2011 4:54 am

Squidpuppet wrote:Hmmmm. I wonder why they dont just run the exhaust straight out the tail?


Keeping any weight as centralised as possible.
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Re: MOTO 3

Postby yzr750 on Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:22 am

Squidpuppet wrote:Hmmmm. I wonder why they dont just run the exhaust straight out the tail?


Maybe they can't get the optimum pipe length going straight out the back?
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Re: MOTO 3

Postby oldboyonrgv on Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:36 am

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Re: MOTO 3

Postby Squidpuppet on Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:06 pm

TheSecondStain wrote:
Squidpuppet wrote:Hmmmm. I wonder why they dont just run the exhaust straight out the tail?


Keeping any weight as centralised as possible.


If thats the reason, they are taking the philosophy hard-core seriously.
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Re: MOTO 3

Postby TheSecondStain on Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:05 am

Squidpuppet wrote:
TheSecondStain wrote:
Squidpuppet wrote:
Hmmmm. I wonder why they dont just run the exhaust straight out the tail?


Keeping any weight as centralised as possible.


If thats the reason, they are taking the philosophy hard-core seriously.


Well the rules demand a minimum weight of 148kg [that's 23st 4lbs for the older English and Commonwealth, 326lbs for U.S. folks], including rider. With all the restrictions in place to severely limit the power output, one of the very best things to do is get the weight as close to the centre of the bike, with a rider who tips the scales nicely to close in on that 148 figure. Let's face it, these bikes are going to have to handle like they're on rails to get round the tracks quickly.
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Re: MOTO 3

Postby Squidpuppet on Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:21 pm

TheSecondStain wrote:[Well the rules demand a minimum weight of 148kg [that's 23st 4lbs for the older English and Commonwealth, 326lbs for U.S. folks], including rider. With all the restrictions in place to severely limit the power output, one of the very best things to do is get the weight as close to the centre of the bike, with a rider who tips the scales nicely to close in on that 148 figure. Let's face it, these bikes are going to have to handle like they're on rails to get round the tracks quickly.


I didnt know that this class would have a combined bike/rider weight limit. Wow.
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Re: MOTO 3

Postby Rossifumi on Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:49 pm

Squidpuppet wrote:
TheSecondStain wrote:[Well the rules demand a minimum weight of 148kg [that's 23st 4lbs for the older English and Commonwealth, 326lbs for U.S. folks], including rider. With all the restrictions in place to severely limit the power output, one of the very best things to do is get the weight as close to the centre of the bike, with a rider who tips the scales nicely to close in on that 148 figure. Let's face it, these bikes are going to have to handle like they're on rails to get round the tracks quickly.


I didnt know that this class would have a combined bike/rider weight limit. Wow.

125's always have had combined rider/bike weight limit
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Re: MOTO 3

Postby oldboyonrgv on Fri Jun 10, 2011 8:08 pm

yea 136Kg for 125's and they are adding 12Kg's for the MOTO3's - obviously to stop the use of exotic materials - not exactly giving them a level playing field with todays bikes are they !!
to re-cap
Rev Limit (none exists today)
control ECU (none exists today)
restriction on bore (none exists today)
min weight limit (none exists today)

there are other rules adding up to restrictions as well)

They will be slower than todays 125 - but its no wonder with the limits they will have to operate in, so I recon there will be a lack of spectator interest, all for Dornas master plan of have two feeder classes for MOTOGP. Historicaly they were an end in themselves.
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Re: MOTO 3

Postby Squidpuppet on Fri Jun 10, 2011 8:46 pm

Rossifumi wrote:
Squidpuppet wrote:
TheSecondStain wrote:[Well the rules demand a minimum weight of 148kg [that's 23st 4lbs for the older English and Commonwealth, 326lbs for U.S. folks], including rider. With all the restrictions in place to severely limit the power output, one of the very best things to do is get the weight as close to the centre of the bike, with a rider who tips the scales nicely to close in on that 148 figure. Let's face it, these bikes are going to have to handle like they're on rails to get round the tracks quickly.


I didnt know that this class would have a combined bike/rider weight limit. Wow.

125's always have had combined rider/bike weight limit


I didnt know that either. :oops: I have always watched the 125s and 250s, but never followed the technical side too deeply.
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Re: MOTO 3

Postby Rossifumi on Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:36 pm

oldboyonrgv wrote:yea 136Kg for 125's and they are adding 12Kg's for the MOTO3's - obviously to stop the use of exotic materials - not exactly giving them a level playing field with todays bikes are they !!
to re-cap
Rev Limit (none exists today)
control ECU (none exists today)
restriction on bore (none exists today)
min weight limit (none exists today)

there are other rules adding up to restrictions as well)

They will be slower than todays 125 - but its no wonder with the limits they will have to operate in, so I recon there will be a lack of spectator interest, all for Dornas master plan of have two feeder classes for MOTOGP. Historicaly they were an end in themselves.

I think the spectator interest in 125's is because of the racing not because of the specification of the bikes or lap times.
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Re: MOTO 3

Postby oldboyonrgv on Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:17 pm

Then why are we talking about the spec? just put em on road going 250 4t's ..... Speed is an aspect of the thrill the technology drives the speed and thus excitement ..........
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Re: MOTO 3

Postby Albert on Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:20 pm

RobboNL wrote:Nice clean bike that NSF250R.

The patent application drawing I found earlier in a blog, seems to be correct.
Image

Looks like the cilinder has been tilted backwards in order to centralize mass.


Further digging on the internet revealed that since Japan has 250cc fourstroke 'GP Mono' series since 2006 !

Sounds a lot better when there is more than one on the track :)



Now this sort of sh*t just plain annoys me!!!! :twisted:

When you post something and then some b'stard blatantly rips it off without a "by your leave" something, somewhere is wrong! (or just plain ill mannered!)
"RobboNL" - this is no fault of yours - you just happened to find something that fitted with the topic!
& Cam - this has nothing to do with the thread that you started so please don't think I'm having a go at you!

Check THIS out!

Yup - I posted that image (and gave credit to MCN for it) back in August 2009!!

Admin - it may be a good idea to incorporate both threads to avoid confusion ----------
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