2011 R15 Motegi Race Topic ** Spoilers**

[Oscar]

I've been thinking this for a while too - although I think Marquez has a blend of styles that will see him do extremely well in MotoGP.

1. He has the Stoneresque ability to ride at the limit, getting up to speed very quickly and sitting the bike up quickly on corner exit to get the drive
2. He has the Lorenzoesque ability to ride very smoothly and consistently
3. He has the Pedrosaesque ability to check out and put in metronomic laps if the rest of the competition is not doing so well on a particular weekend
4. He has the Rossiesque ability to know when to pounce on an opponent and put in an overtake at the right time; and also to calculate a win over race distance

The Aragon race, particularly the middle section with Marquez and Iannone swapping the lead at every corner was the best race I've seen in a long time, probably one of the best races ever IMO.

Agree on ALL points! I find his riding delightful to watch, particularly from the technical blend of attributes you have identified. I'd add one more - he also seems to have the Rossiesque ability to recover from a small mistake in blindingly quick time. It's going to be a hell of a jump from moto2 to 1000cc motoGp bikes but the kid is good.

[Gustav O]

Marquez is good in his own right and doesn´t need any comparisons.

[WayneG]

I'm not one to blow my own trumpet, but it's been years since I've had my trumpet blown so ...

On March 19 2011 WayneG wrote in this thread viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1280&hilit=+marquez

"I think Marc Marquez is the one to watch in Moto2. That boy has alien like talent. He's my pick for the championship so that rules him out."

Sometimes the depth of incite I have for this sport astounds even me.
and then there's now

[Albert]

I'm not one to blow my own trumpet, but it's been years since I've had my trumpet blown so ...

On March 19 2011 WayneG wrote in this thread viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1280&hilit=+marquez

"I think Marc Marquez is the one to watch in Moto2. That boy has alien like talent. He's my pick for the championship so that rules him out."

Sometimes the depth of incite I have for this sport astounds even me.
and then there's now

Good spot Wayne - congrats!
Unfortunately Trumpet Blowing has been banned recently!

[carty]

Marquez is good in his own right and doesn´t need any comparisons.

Of course he is excellent in his own right, but to say that his riding combines some of the best qualities of the four biggest talents in MotoGP is not a bad thing!

[WayneG]

Good spot Wayne - congrats!
Unfortunately Trumpet Blowing has been banned recently!

Bugger.

[Gustav O]

Of course he is excellent in his own right, but to say that his riding combines some of the best qualities of the four biggest talents in MotoGP is not a bad thing!

No, but I don´t like when people always compare riders to others and say stuff like "he is the new Rossi/Doohan/Schwantz" etc. He deserves praise for his riding, what ever that may be.
Out of the Moto2 riders I have said it before but he is the one with clearly the highest potenial because he can do it all and seems very well rounded compared to other riders who seems to lack in some areas, like Bradl seems to lack raw speed, Iannone is very inconsistent.
Actually I have made a bet at a Swedish forum that Marquez will be better than Simoncelli after two seasons in the premier class. I think he has a bigger upside than Simoncelli, and clearly so.

[Tumi]

Edit: Sorry this has nothing to do with the topic. I got carried away after some previous posts

Team Ajo Motorsport owner Aki Ajo spotted Marquez in 2008 and already then in some Finnish interviews he regarded Marquez as an exceptional talent, with even more potential than some well known MotoGP racers whose names I'll really better leave out here. Anyway, this is what Ajo PR said in 2009 before first test
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2009/Marquez+AJO+Motorsport+Jerez

[Gustav O]

Team Ajo Motorsport owner Aki Ajo spotted Marquez in 2008 and already then in some Finnish interviews he regarded Marquez as an exceptional talent, with even more potential than some well known MotoGP racers whose names I'll really better leave out here. Anyway, this is what Ajo PR said in 2009 before first test
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2009/Marquez+AJO+Motorsport+Jerez

He has a very good eye for talent mr Ajo. I am very intrigued to how Marquez can upset the apple cart in Spain, only down side for me is that Honda seem to have spotted the same thing as me as I would have loved him on a Yamaha M1..

[Squidpuppet]

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Am I the only person who sees very considerable similarities in Marquez's style to Stoner's? Body forward, steering rather sweetly from the rear.. he just looks to me to be a natural fit to motoGp bikes.

I do as well. I also see lot of Jorge in Bradl. Ultra smooth, conservative left to right saddle transitions. No exagerated position changes between acceleration and braking. Robotic.

[Squidpuppet]

Does anyone know if Iannone received the upgraded Suter Chassis for this race?

My math says if he had received it for Aragon, he would have beaten Marquez there as well.

I like Bradl as the complete package Gustav. I think he has a mental edge for race distance. I think Marquez still, on too many occasions, sticks his bike into too small of a hole. So far, luck and skill have kept him from ending up on the deck, but there have been many unnecessary close calls. There is no doubt he has bike control equal to any of his rivals, I just see him as a little impatient still. Like Lorenzo 08-09.

[Rossifumi]

I do find it funny that there are so many <Casey injoy it cause Marquez is guna wop your arss Comments yet no one can see how similar there riding styles are

have there actually been any of these comments about Casey enjoying while he can as Marquez is going to wop hi ass? I've not seen it said anywhere

[eddahenry]

I do find it funny that there are so many <Casey injoy it cause Marquez is guna wop your arss Comments yet no one can see how similar there riding styles are

have there actually been any of these comments about Casey enjoying while he can as Marquez is going to wop hi ass? I've not seen it said anywhere

Unless your web browsing is very limited you would have seen it
Maybe try google you will find plenty of comments like that , You wont find any here but i never said it was in MM

[Tormo4ever]

to answer a previous post, no , adriana did not travel to japan ...

[JanBros]

Does anyone know if Iannone received the upgraded Suter Chassis for this race?

No, the upgrade is especially in the rear suspension/swingarm, and Marquez was the only one (I've seen) with the "upside-down" swing arm

[SP_won]

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Am I the only person who sees very considerable similarities in Marquez's style to Stoner's? Body forward, steering rather sweetly from the rear.. he just looks to me to be a natural fit to motoGp bikes.

I do as well. I also see lot of Jorge in Bradl. Ultra smooth, conservative left to right saddle transitions. No exagerated position changes between acceleration and braking. Robotic.

I see the Stoner/Lorenzo - Marquez/Bradl thing too. Marquez's style on the bike physically is eerily close to Stoner's. If (when) they end up as teammates they better pick different helmet designs or we won't tell them apart

[Cam D]

I really don't see Valentino as a scared rider...that was just wrong place/wrong time.
http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/20111 ... -fear.html
I don't see Casey saving the tank slapper episode as luck either. Probably agree with Dovi and Simo being in with a chance of podium if they didn't have the ride through. I was really impressed with the intensity of Dovi's early laps.

[Rick650]

I didn't see Rossi as being scared of the bike at Motegi if anything I though he showed too much confidence in it so early in the race. For me the video shows Rossi turning in earlier and trying to run a different line from others to get up the inside of Spies and possibly even Lorenzo. If anything the crash seemed to be caused by him asking the Ducati to take him to somewhere it couldn't quite go (in part due to Lorenzo's rear wheel being marginally in the way).
Maybe the brain wrote a cheque that he needed a nimbler Yamaha to cash.

[Oscar]

I was really impressed with the intensity of Dovi's early laps.

I've re-watched the race a couple of times, concentrating on different aspects, and Dovi really showed a level of willingness to really go that last couple of percent people (including me) often feel he lacks. His race was really totally screwed by his move at the line; since he was running softs, his best chance was to go out hard and gain some distance and then try to hold it against everybody on harder rubber at the end. The ride-through completely destroyed the strategy. Stoner knew Dovi was on softs so was managing his early pace accordingly, (the guy is definitely using his head these days); I suspect he may have been happy to let Dovi past and then re-take him later to have him act as a buffer to whoever was behind him.

Simoncelli was running the intermediate rear (I believe) and had the (slightly) better option for the last laps. Due respect, he used his brain ok and took the place at the right time and in a well-controlled manner. As long as Dovi can get on a good bike (and team) next year, I personally feel that this may have been a good race for his confidence in running that bit harder than he has been completely comfortable with most of the time to date, he just looks as if he's found a little more tiger than perhaps he thought he could get away with. It'll be a real pity if it's taken too much time for him to retain a good ride. I'd like to see him mentoring Marquez next year.

[oldboyonrgv]

I thought it was generally agreed that Marquez has tested his way to the MOTO2 title this year..... be interesting to see what happens when he is hamstrung by the testing restrictions in MOTOGP

[Gustav O]

I thought it was generally agreed that Marquez has tested his way to the MOTO2 title this year..... be interesting to see what happens when he is hamstrung by the testing restrictions in MOTOGP

I think the testing theory is mainly down to jealousy. He still has to go out and beat everybody else in the races and so far he has been doing a pretty fine job. His results will be down to his talent and not more testing than the others.
Regarding the testing he will be allowed more testing before his rookie season and I think he will be well prepared when he is coming in to his second MotoGP season.

[RatsMC]

I don't think you can entirely throw the additional testing Marquez did out the window. Not only did he get a lot more track time in but he also had the builder of his bike there gathering data and testing in order to build the bike around him.

[racer50]

Marquez is winning because he's the most talented rider in the class. Remember that he's a rookie while most of his competitors already raced on the 4 strokes last year.

[Squidpuppet]

Marquez is winning because he's the most talented rider in the class.

On a bike that is three tenths (his words) per lap quicker than Iannone's, Luthi's, Redding's etc etc.

[CLX]

I`m out of town and missed the races.
Were they good enough that I should hang around work and watch them on the site after the folks go home?