MoTM. Round 16. Phillip Island.

[motomania]

Instead of continuing to muddle up this topic with thbe discussion about Marquez and the cool off lap incident, I've revived a previous Rider/Track Safety topic.

[gco0307]

Dotm - Tough this one but go with Pedrosa. Something there just did not impress me this weekend and he did not look comfortable or settled the entire weekend.

I disagree with this, completely. After Friday's reports of the severe bumps on all the lines on the track, I knew that's why Pedrosa was down the charts. There are no settings for a dangerously bumpy racetrack, and judging by what happened to Lorenzo, Spies, and everyone else who fell off, Pedrosa did exactly the right thing. Nobody was going to catch Stoner, bumps or not.
As the guy who can least afford to fall off at speed, I'm impressed as hell that he was competing for the Podium... until it started raining.

Rusty, I was actually wondering how long it would take for someone to pop up and vehemently disagree but I stick with my original post as there was just something there with Pedrosa across the weekend that disappointed me greatly.

I know the bumps would have upset him and the setup, and am fully aware that this track has been massively problematic for him over the years but I just expected so much more from a rider I consider amongst the best out there.




Gaz

[Faster1]

I don't think Mick was just talking about the track time though Dave. The talent explains the parts and track time.

Maybe some of us are a little confused about what Moto 2 is trying to represent within the GP circus. Myself and others have obvioiusly seen it as a tightly controlled class so that costs were cut, so things like riders getting preferential treatment doesn't sit so well. And Gustav, you're spot on when you say "it's never equal".

exactly

whats really reeks is that motot2 could turning out to be a "Honda farming class". If you think about from the outside, a company supplies an engine to everyone, at the same time it's recruiting for their own future (go)team,, whats wrong with that picture? You don't have to be as paranoid as me to see the ethical problem here. But if you are (as paranoid) you would probably bet the farm that Marc's engines are a bit hotter than everyone elses. Jeez, I wish that these were still the 250 days, then there wouldn't be any doubt. Until I see the next level, I won't be surprised that his legend is a bit bigger than reality. Let's re-visit this after he moves up,, for a bit of gloating and crow eating..

dam those hippy's

[WayneG]

whats really reeks is that motot2 could turning out to be a "Honda farming class". If you think about from the outside, a company supplies an engine to everyone, at the same time it's recruiting for their own future (go)team,, whats wrong with that picture? You don't have to be as paranoid as me to see the ethical problem here. But if you are (as paranoid) you would probably bet the farm that Marc's engines are a bit hotter than everyone elses. Jeez, I wish that these were still the 250 days, then there wouldn't be any doubt. Until I see the next level, I won't be surprised that his legend is a bit bigger than reality. Let's re-visit this after he moves up,, for a bit of gloating and crow eating..

dam those hippy's

But there is a claiming rule in Moto2. I'm sure that if the engines were suspected to be hot there would be teams lined up with 20,000 euros in their hands.

[TwoStroke Institute]

I'm completely biased but my MOTM was Sandro Cortese in the 125's, for a brilliant ride and a brilliant call by his team to stick on slicks and for being a really nice bloke as well. Was there any other races on ?

DOTM.
Basicaly ANYONE who critisises some rider in anyway(myself included) as standing track side you can see every rider is giving it their all. If you think you can do better the road to the track is that way.

[Hansd]

But there is a claiming rule in Moto2. ...

Are you sure? I've never heard of it; claiming rule has always been related to Motogp , not Moto2.
I've checked the FIM site, but cannot find the Motogp/Moto2 regulations there.

Hans

[WayneG]

But there is a claiming rule in Moto2. ...

Are you sure? I've never heard of it; claiming rule has always been related to Motogp , not Moto2.
I've checked the FIM site, but cannot find the Motogp/Moto2 regulations there.

Hans

This from when the rukes were first announced. (last paragraph)
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2008/Moto2+250cc+replacement+class+regulations+announced

[RatsMC]

,, persistently sticking to my over and above expectations recognitions

MOTM - Simoncelli - When you have a point to prove to quiet the nay-sayers and you actually pull it off, that's something special. He was going to win or bin that second place. Honda chose well

But he nearly got outraced by a guy who has consistently beaten him - and he was far better on the brakes. And Dovi was never close to 'win it or bin' it. Since Simo is never going to win a title, I'd rather have Dovi on my side. At least I know he isn't going to take out my title contender or wade up my bike trying to do so.

[Squidpuppet]

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But he nearly got outraced by a guy who has consistently beaten him -

Or...... Marco flat out outraced Dovi. The tables have now turned on that consistency. Marco is beginning to consistently beat a guy who used to be able beat him. (4 in a row now)

and he was far better on the brakes.

To what end?

IMO Dovi has plateaued and Marco has some growth left, both in speed and craft.

[Faster1]

Since Simo is never going to win a title, I'd rather have Dovi on my side. At least I know he isn't going to take out my title contender or wade up my bike trying to do so.

yeah but , yeah but, yeah but,,,
,while correct on the "Since Simo is never going to win a title" ,,not as long as Stoner is on the same bike,, but neither could Dovi, With Simo, I DO believe that this Zebra can change his stripes, to say that he just might learn how to use his head, and harness that speed.

I gave it to Marco, because after he was used up,, his "sheer will" to not let Dovi win, made it happen and Dovi should have not let it happen. That race was a statement race for both of them and they both knew it,,, and this was the the second race that Sic won the duel on the last lap.

Sic has not had the best results this year, but aside from 3 races where he was mysteriously "Slow",, and take away the DNFs with the the royally bad decisions, and IMO, he is still the rider with more outright speed and more untapped upside,, possibly even more so on the bigger bikes.. That one-off Aprilia Superbike ride in Italy still stands out. I'm not the hugest Sic fan (I almost dislike him), but I am convinced that he is the third best Honda rider which can only help Honda's top two.

[raisinberry777]

Along with Simoncelli for finally putting in a decent ride and sticking it to the factory boys.

D

You do know Sic is "one of the factory boys" don't you? He has a factory bike the same as the repsol ones.

Even Nick Harris needed reminding of that by Gavin.

Ahem, I should say, the Repsol boys. Yes, I knew that