Could Stoner win the title with 3 Manufacturers?

[Doca]

So how many riders have took the WC with three different manufacturers?

If Stoner switched to Yamaha in 2013 then I think you would have to say he would be a title contender again. He has expressed his desire to emulate Doohan at Honda a few times but at 26 he is young enough to have a stint at Honda win a few WC's and move on.

That kind of statistic would make the best bike tag look even sillier.

[frankrizzo]

I think he'll stay with Honda for some time. It kinda puts the pressure on guys like Rossi and Lorenzo in a big way, if Ducati and Yamaha don't get it right, they can forget about it.

[eddahenry]

Could he ,,, i think he could win a WC with Yamaha and he would win races on a Suzuki
Will he ,,, Nah my bet is 3 more years with Honda Maximum than he will just retire and find something else with wheels to go fast on/in (my bet V8 super cars)
He isnt the fella that feeds off being famous / the media or the fans or records and statistics when he has enough of winning he will retire without fan fair

[DJH]

He won't stick around long enough. I'd say he'll be looking long and hard at his options inside and outside of the sport at the end of next season.

If he did goto V8 Supercars it would likely be a cameo gig for the enduro's. Initially at least. With most of his time spent over in Switzerland these days anyway who knows, he could just choose to live between the two countries with his young family and enjoy life. I know I would.

[Hansd]

With 2 WC's in his pocket he will not only be looking for the winning bike but can also afford to switch to who ever offers the best bike. So a lot depends on the Honda RC213. If that bike is competitive I can see him stay with Honda to try and get 2 WC's on 1000's as well.
After that he might need a new challenge and hopefully by than new suppliers are ready to enter Motogp. So besides Yamaha, who knows KTM or BMW could be options in 2014?

Hans

[dmelb]

Would love to see Stoner spend three years with Suzuki. I think had he been on the Suzuki this season, he would have achieved several podiums and at-least two Wins - Qatar and Phillip Island. He achieved it with the worst factory bike on the grid, don't see why he wouldn't do better on a Suzuki.

[Hansd]

By the way, referring to your question: the list of 500cc/Motogp WC winners on different bikes is a short one:
- Geoff Duke (Gilera and Norton)
- Giacomo Agostini (MV Agusta and Yamaha)
- Eddie Lawson (Honda and Yamaha)
- Valentino Rossi (Honda and Yamaha)
and now:
- Casey Stoner (Ducati and Honda)

The answer therefore is: NOBODY has ever won WC's on 3 different brands. This would be a first!
From the current MotoGp riders only Casey and Vale are positioned to try and achieve this. Valentino already is on his 3rd brand bike (but at the moment is way of achieving a WC ;>(

Here the complete list of 500cc/Motogp winners who have achieved 3 or more WC's:



Hans

[WayneG]

Just to add to the trivia, four riders have won premier class GP's for three different manufacturers but nobody has ever won WC's for three manufactures.

Hailwood (Honda, MV Augusta, Norton)
Lawson (Yamaha, Honda, Cagiva)
Mamola (Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki)
Capirossi (Honda, Yamaha, Ducati)

[Rossifumi]

......and he would win races on a Suzuki

no he wouldn't

[RedJet]

Short answer = Yes

Longer answer = Ask Oscar

[Hansd]

......and he would win races on a Suzuki

no he wouldn't

Why?
If you see what Casey did on the Ducati and than see Vale struggle, it makes sense he gets (a lot) more out of a bike than others. This is strengthened by his performance at Honda on equal bikes as Pedrosa, Dovi and Simoncelli.
It's OK to disagree, but not without reasons!

Hans

[Tourn46]

......and he would win races on a Suzuki

no he wouldn't

Why?
If you see what Casey did on the Ducati and than see Vale struggle, it makes sense he gets (a lot) more ot of a bike than others. This is strengthened by his performance at Honda on equal bikes as Pedrosa, Dovi and Simoncelli.
It's OK to disagree, but not without reasons!

Hans

Although I agree with you, my question is how much was Dani's heart in it this year after missing 4 races?

Prior to Le Mans, Pedro had 61pts and Stoner had 41pts - admittedly Stoner was wiped out in Jerez, but Pedro would have had a lot more to go for then than he did after missing 4 races. Would he risk anything on a season that won't be fruitful anyway?

That doesn't detract from Stoner's championship, he's been great, but I would like to see a year where everyone is 100% for the whole time, especially Dani because for me he's still got a bit of an 'unknown' surrounding him.

[sir_nj]

yes I think he could definatley win another WC on a different brand but I'm wondering if he might rather end up being the first MotoGP WC who takes a WSB WC, not because he is forced there but just because.

[Squidpuppet]

......and he would win races on a Suzuki

no he wouldn't

Why?
If you see what Casey did on the Ducati and than see Vale struggle, it makes sense he gets (a lot) more out of a bike than others. This is strengthened by his performance at Honda on equal bikes as Pedrosa, Dovi and Simoncelli.
It's OK to disagree, but not without reasons!

Hans

Agree. IMO, If Casey had been on a Suzuki this year, he would have been on the podium regularly, with a few wins tossed in as well. Not dominant, but fighting with the front group every race.

[Rossifumi]

......and he would win races on a Suzuki

no he wouldn't

Why?
If you see what Casey did on the Ducati and than see Vale struggle, it makes sense he gets (a lot) more out of a bike than others. This is strengthened by his performance at Honda on equal bikes as Pedrosa, Dovi and Simoncelli.
It's OK to disagree, but not without reasons!

Hans

Ducati has gone backwards and Honda has made a step forward - very hard to compare Stoner on Ducati to Rossi on Ducati. Dani, despite injuries (starting the season with the problems from the plate put in post Motegi and the Le Mans injury) has been pretty close to, and more than a few times ahead, of Casey - if both riders could've avoided injury or being taken out by other riders there wouldn't be much to choose between Stoner and Pedrosa. I also think Bautista is flattering the Suzuki.

[Kropotkin]

Stoner could win a title with 3 manufacturers, but he won't. He'll retire in a few more years to work on his dad's farm and raise his kids. After winning the title at PI, he talked about his dream: to work on the farm. Records don't mean much to Stoner.

The only doubt I have is that he has an intensely competitive streak. That has to find an outlet somehow.

[Hansd]

Although I agree with you, my question is how much was Dani's heart in it this year after missing 4 races?

Prior to Le Mans, Pedro had 61pts and Stoner had 41pts - admittedly Stoner was wiped out in Jerez, but Pedro would have had a lot more to go for then than he did after missing 4 races. Would he risk anything on a season that won't be fruitful anyway?

That doesn't detract from Stoner's championship, he's been great, but I would like to see a year where everyone is 100% for the whole time, especially Dani because for me he's still got a bit of an 'unknown' surrounding him.

I'm afraid there's always something wrong with Dani. For some reason he is never as consistent as Vale (used to be) and Casey. This is not the first season that he could have fought for he title, if not .....
Maybe he's just unlucky, or maybe there is a reason? I don't know.

[Nachlauf]

He sure could win another WC for the 3rd constructor. I'd love to see him race for Yamaha some day.

How long till his contract with HRC runs out?

[eddahenry]

Ducati has gone backwards and Honda has made a step forward - very hard to compare Stoner on Ducati to Rossi on Ducati. Dani, despite injuries (starting the season with the problems from the plate put in post Motegi and the Le Mans injury) has been pretty close to, and more than a few times ahead, of Casey - if both riders could've avoided injury or being taken out by other riders there wouldn't be much to choose between Stoner and Pedrosa. I also think Bautista is flattering the Suzuki.

Rossifumi nice to see you back
so what your saying is that Bautista is making the Suzuki look good better than Casey would
if that chain of thinking is correct Bautista would be a regular podium finisher on the Ducati .

[Albert]

Short simple answer to the thread question --------- Of Course!

But --------- would he even want to try?
If he himself is to be believed, he has always wanted to be at Honda. Now that he is there why would he want to leave?

I'm quite sincere with this comment --------- Casey can be the most dominant Honda rider for quite some time to come!

He can also be one of the sports most dominant riders for a similar length of time!

[Rossifumi]

so what your saying is that Bautista is making the Suzuki look good better than Casey would

no, I think Casey would probably do better than Bautista but I don't think Casey would win races on the Suzuki. I'd like to see Bautista on a factory Honda or Yamaha though - I think he'd be a genuine front-runner.

[Upon1]

Although I agree with you, my question is how much was Dani's heart in it this year after missing 4 races?

Prior to Le Mans, Pedro had 61pts and Stoner had 41pts - admittedly Stoner was wiped out in Jerez, but Pedro would have had a lot more to go for then than he did after missing 4 races. Would he risk anything on a season that won't be fruitful anyway?

That doesn't detract from Stoner's championship, he's been great, but I would like to see a year where everyone is 100% for the whole time, especially Dani because for me he's still got a bit of an 'unknown' surrounding him.

I think thats incredibly unfair. Dani still won 2 races and multiple podiums after he came back so I think his heart was definitely still in it. He crashed at Brno going for it I would have to say. It's very rare to see a year when everyone is 100%. Stoner wasn't for quite a few races this year after his massive Assen off, Rossi wasn't the year before due to shoulder and then knee, Stoner the year before that with the lactose thing, Lorenzo the year before that smashing himself to bits trying to be the first Spainish man on the moon. Add in Pedrosa all of those years as well. I agree that a Pedrosa fully fit for a year would be very interesting to see, but I think it's harsh to say that he had nothing to race for.

[Oscar]

Longer answer = Ask Oscar

Methinks my lugubrious ramblings have earned me a flogging with scented bootlaces! I guess I'm guilty of always leaving 'em begging for air, rather than more, but I'll try to be a little more succinct.

Stoner came out of nowhere, really, in '07 and showed he can jump on a bike and find its strengths and use them to great effect pretty much immediately. The bikes in '07 were fairly radically new to everybody in terms of what they demanded of the rider. The '07 Duc obviously had some great strengths but - as Capirossi's season showed - it was a highly idiosyncratic bike. Melandri in '08 was completely unable to adapt, and as we have seen with both Hayden and Rossi, even WC's find it extremely hard to come to terms with the things.

Stoner in '11 has completely confirmed his ability to adapt (and it must be recognised that his team has also been exceptionally good in that respect, though the trip from Ducati to Honda is fairly obviously the easier path than vice-versa). Stoner has shown that he can quickly find whatever competitive edge the bike has and exploit it to the full incredibly quickly - as witnessed by his times from the first day he slung a leg over the Honda. There is surely no reason to suspect that this ability would not extend to another brand.

Prior to this season, the unanswered big question in motoGp was: on the same bike, who would prevail - Rossi or Stoner (since the Rossi vs. Lorenzo question had been at least partly answered in '10, in Lorenzo's favour - though obviously Rossi's physical condition for most of the '10 season played a large part in reducing what should have been 17 rounds of cage-fighting to a less-equal struggle). Rossi's '11 season frankly says that on Ducatis at least, Stoner would prevail - possibly by a rather handsome margin.

So as things stand, what we are really looking at here is: could Stoner beat Lorenzo on an equal Yamaha?

I believe that over a season, with the vagaries of different track conditions taken into account, the answer is probably yes - but it would be a fairly titanic struggle. For Stoner to comprehensively prevail, there would have to be areas of competitive advantage left in the Yamaha that Lorenzo could not exploit and Stoner could - and my view on Lorenzo is that he is truly getting just about everything out of the bike that's there to be taken. I suspect it would come down to each rider finessing the set-up each race; Stoner has somewhat of an advantage of probably being able more often to over-ride small disadvantages on the day compared to Lorenzo. On the same bikes and with equivalently effective set-ups, I reckon wins would come down to certain tracks suiting each rider better.

The top four guys each have an area of advantage over the others: Stoner can find the last ounce of performance of the bike, Lorenzo can churn out reliable fast laps all day long, Rossi can find the last centimetre of advantage any track has to offer and when the planets align for him, Pedrosa can blow them all away, provided his rhythm is not interrupted.

So - hell, yes, Stoner could win a WC on a bike capable of winning it. But that doesn't mean that nobody else is capable of giving him a damn hard time of it.

[SP_won]

Stoner could win a title with 3 manufacturers, but he won't. He'll retire in a few more years to work on his dad's farm and raise his kids. After winning the title at PI, he talked about his dream: to work on the farm. Records don't mean much to Stoner.

The only doubt I have is that he has an intensely competitive streak. That has to find an outlet somehow.

Easy outlet available on farm, he'll do what every other good farmer does and compete with his neighbours to see who can plough the straightest furrows in the district

And as others have said, he could win with three manufacturers, but I doubt he'll change teams before he retires.
As far as the mention of SBK goes...just no way I could see that. Stoner will retire on top of his game and be gone. (possibly to V8 Supercars just to get his jollies)

[sir_nj]

Stoner could win a title with 3 manufacturers, but he won't. He'll retire in a few more years to work on his dad's farm and raise his kids. After winning the title at PI, he talked about his dream: to work on the farm. Records don't mean much to Stoner.

The only doubt I have is that he has an intensely competitive streak. That has to find an outlet somehow.

Easy outlet available on farm, he'll do what every other good farmer does and compete with his neighbours to see who can plough the straightest furrows in the district

beat me to it SP, although I was going to suggest that Krop probably hasn't worked with many farmers

Farming (without subsidies) viably, successfully and sustainably IS one of the most intense, punishing and all consuming competitions out there.