motogpmd wrote:Now who did Rossi have to compete against up to 2006? There was no-one at his level, Doohan was long gone.
This is a separate debate in itself. My opinion differs to your opinion.
The statistics I posted weren't really meant as a direct comparison as it's been taken (perhaps people just don't like to see stuff that shows Rossi in a good light?)...
In saying that the others need to raise there game, it was in regards to matching Rossi's career figures, I believe that these figures are the benchmark that the riders will aspire to beat, now and in the future - afterall, when the dust settles on their careers, that's what people will see in the history books.
Agostini of course has won more, but it was different back then, people in multiple classes, etc... which is why I think Rossi will be the relevant 'great' that people want to beat.
It wasn't a comment made in regards to their talent and I apologise if it came across that way... I would say that Lorenzo has the potential and the time to do this however, I can't see Pedrosa or Stoner getting close.
I won't argue on the statistics of the 800cc era as they are what they are, statistically he was the best rider... But at the end of the day, Stoner only won 2 titles, the same number as Rossi.
What frustrates me about Stoner is that in his 2 championship years, he was sublime... can't fault him. However, I just NEED to see him produce this over a sustained period of time... 2 brilliant years in 10 years of GP racing isn't enough for me. Out of 15 years, Rossi has only had 2/3 stinkers?
This is the difference, to be a great, you need to be there or there abouts, year in, year out... until Stoner can prove this, then I can't consider him as being above the other guys.
For me, the outstanding talent at this moment in time on the grid is Lorenzo and I think he is the guy to dominate over the next period in MotoGP.