2012 MotoGP Round 1 - Qatar

[chc-pr]

I a related note, I wish people would stop assuming that what is good for Rossi/what Rossi supporters want is also good/wanted by everyone interested in MotoGP. It is just more of the same arrogance and it is really annoying. It just makes me want him to fail all the more so those people have their noses rubbed in it. It is not about Rossi per se, but the arrogance of putting one man above the sport. It really pisses me off.

We're all well versed in your dislike for Rossi, but like it or not, he's the biggest name in motorcycle racing and possibly the biggest name there has ever been in motorcycle racing so if not bigger than the sport itself he's the closest there is to it. Of course there's going to be a backlash to that from some quarters (as demonstrated by your comments) but Dorna, promotors and TV stations know it - the evidence was there in 2010 when Rossi broke his leg and missed a few races - attendance's and TV viewing figures were significantly down. So Rossi struggling is a big story and there are a lot of vested interests, as well as fans, who would like to see him turn it around.....as well as some who'd like to see him fail, obviously.

I have PM's a response to you - this is not the place to take this further. But for the record, I find your assertion that you have th eright to tell me what I think and feel personally offensive. It has nothing to do with my dislike of Rossi - or his fans. That you cannot apparently see that you (or anyone else) does not have the right to tell me what I think or feel is exactly the point.

[Flyinlow27]

its called the internet dude. chill.

[Kropotkin]

I a related note, I wish people would stop assuming that what is good for Rossi/what Rossi supporters want is also good/wanted by everyone interested in MotoGP. It is just more of the same arrogance and it is really annoying. It just makes me want him to fail all the more so those people have their noses rubbed in it. It is not about Rossi per se, but the arrogance of putting one man above the sport. It really pisses me off.

We're all well versed in your dislike for Rossi, but like it or not, he's the biggest name in motorcycle racing and possibly the biggest name there has ever been in motorcycle racing so if not bigger than the sport itself he's the closest there is to it. Of course there's going to be a backlash to that from some quarters (as demonstrated by your comments) but Dorna, promotors and TV stations know it - the evidence was there in 2010 when Rossi broke his leg and missed a few races - attendance's and TV viewing figures were significantly down. So Rossi struggling is a big story and there are a lot of vested interests, as well as fans, who would like to see him turn it around.....as well as some who'd like to see him fail, obviously.

I have PM's a response to you - this is not the place to take this further. But for the record, I find your assertion that you have th eright to tell me what I think and feel personally offensive. It has nothing to do with my dislike of Rossi - or his fans. That you cannot apparently see that you (or anyone else) does not have the right to tell me what I think or feel is exactly the point.

Grow up.

[Hanuman]

Capirossi's take on the situation:

So maybe Melandri was right to say that only Stoner could ride the Ducati?
“No, Melandri made a mistake because he got frustrated and stopped trying." 

Oh, hang on, wrong year.

[Zaphod]

..........what did Capirossi do again ?

Oh, that's right....got frustrated and stopped trying.

Anything (or anyone) except the bike, is to blame for Ducati die-hards.

So Rossi quits, which would make all the Duck-nuts and Stoner fan-bois happy, and who is going to ride it then ? Hopefully Sissis won't be so silly as to..........and then who ? ....Barbera ? Cool ! .....Guarenteed 10th to 6th places for seasons to come, no matter how much he rides his nuts off.........except, I wonder where Ducati money will come from then ?

That's alright...........when they fail and have to pull out of MotoGP, it'll be all the more reason to kick Rossi, after all, the bikes only been shit since he got there.

....Stoner never ever finished behind Hayden..........

Stoner may take some justifiable delight at the present situation, and the three young aliens may be better riders than Rossi now. One thing I think they'd all agree on is, if Stoner couldn't make it work, or get better, and Rossi can't make it work/get better, not to mention the ream of other riders who threw a leg over any one of it's forms and came to the same conclusion...........then it's best not to go near the bloody thing !

Fan-bois of any religion ( bike or rider) seem to be so obsessed, that they miss the obvious.

[Oscar]

..........what did Capirossi do again ?

Oh, that's right....got frustrated and stopped trying.

Um, no, not in '07 - Ducati dropped him and replaced him with Melandri (at vastly more than Stoner's salary - which, though unspoken, is surely a way of nominating the lead rider). They didn't realise then what Stoner was bringing to the table, and they continued to fail to do so, while at the same time relying on it, which has turned out to be a major cranial-rectal inversion. Suppo DID know, and Stoner's team DID know (and I believe Guareschi knew, and Preziosi would have been myopic not to see it in the data).

Rossi knew it as well - but believed he could do at least as well if not better. Nobody should blame him for that, it was prima facie a completely reasonable thing - what he had failed to do was to accept that the Ducati was deeply flawed. As with the products of the Sirius Cybernetics Co., the discernible superficial design flaws completely masked the underlying fundamental design flaws.

Where Rossi has been caught out, I believe, is in not accepting what Stoner could do. Thus, he ignored Sun Tzu's classic dictum:

So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.

[Hanuman]

..........what did Capirossi do again ?

Oh, that's right....got frustrated and stopped trying.

Anything (or anyone) except the bike, is to blame for Ducati die-hards.

....

Fan-bois of any religion ( bike or rider) seem to be so obsessed, that they miss the obvious.

I may just be misreading your post, Zaphod. But I don't see how fan-boi-ism has much to do with my quote. It may have been a little too obscure, but it was to point out that Rossi isn't the first Italian rider to get frustrated on that bike...

[Gustav O]

I like when people come out and say that they have no bias, they see the obvious and balanced truth etc etc.

[sir_nj]

I like when people come out and say that they have no bias, they see the obvious and balanced truth etc etc.

gustav,

clearly, like me, you are on the turps already (only its Friday evening here so I have an excuse). Like the other quick quote about hindsight being a beautiful thing. Makes a lot of sense after a few beers

[Gustav O]

gustav,

clearly, like me, you are on the turps already (only its Friday evening here so I have an excuse). Like the other quick quote about hindsight being a beautiful thing. Makes a lot of sense after a few beers

Shhhh. Don´t tell my employer as I just got in at work.

[sir_nj]

gustav,

clearly, like me, you are on the turps already (only its Friday evening here so I have an excuse). Like the other quick quote about hindsight being a beautiful thing. Makes a lot of sense after a few beers

Shhhh. Don´t tell my employer as I just got in at work.

[gixxerwimp]

Just to break into the Ducati woes fixation for a moment - check out what Spies was putting up with at around 22 secs into: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cVfHqIo8TU

Talk about a jack-hammer enema...

,,If that footage is during the race or WUP,, it should take Spies right off of anyone's DOTM list. Who's responsible for such an unsorted/unbalanced/unworthy setup. The Yamaha seem sublime when setup correctly and Spies wins races.

gross oversight incompetence anyone? or something broke?

May have damaged the rear shock internals when he crashed? Or maybe the slipper clutch was playing up? I've seen these things cause the same problem with Motards before they are set up properly. Kind of looked like he was shut down (rear wheel driving the engine) still when it was playing up.

After the race, Ben tweeted:

That's what happens when u ride a bike that's been crashed twice....#nobackupchassis

http://twitter.com/#!/BenSpies11/status ... 7405510656

Can't remember when the rectal jackhammer incident occurred, but it might explain his poor showing in the race.

[Cam D]

After the race, Ben tweeted:

That's what happens when u ride a bike that's been crashed twice....#nobackupchassis

http://twitter.com/#!/BenSpies11/status ... 7405510656

Can't remember when the rectal jackhammer incident occurred, but it might explain his poor showing in the race.

I know he said something about the bike wasn't very good in warm up and they couldn't get enough laps (didn't have enough time) to find out what the problem was.

[motor]

Interesting views from Shuhei Nakamoto ...

http://world.honda.com/MotoGPreport/2012/round0/
http://world.honda.com/MotoGPreport/2012/round1/

[Cam D]

Arm pump has various causes, but this time it was probably due to the way Casey had been controlling the chattering by strenuous use of his brakes. He'd been riding like that for four days, and it finally took its toll on his muscles in the last laps of the race. It seems to me that we haven't really solved the root of this problem, Casey has just been suppressing it.

Where have we heard that before?
Makes me laugh when I think about all the people that said Casey was full of shite about the arm pump... and the others that said he should have done more laps in practice and then he would have known what was going to happen.

Like Nicky said....

[Hansd]

Interesting views from Shuhei Nakamoto ...

http://world.honda.com/MotoGPreport/2012/round0/
http://world.honda.com/MotoGPreport/2012/round1/

Good reads, very open from Nakamoto san.
Thanks for posting!

[Dayle88]

I'm not trying to dispute the arm pump reason or anything else but there were two reasons that Stoner didn't win Qatar, Lorenzo and Pedrosa.

[Rossifumi]

and if it's a fundamental problem with the bike why did Pedrosa not get arm pump?

[Squidpuppet]

and if it's a fundamental problem with the bike why did Pedrosa not get arm pump?

Dani rode slow enough during paractice and QP to not experience the chatter (backed off as it began). Casey pushed it hard enough to experience the chatter (rode through it). Lap times indicate as much.

[Tourn46]

and if it's a fundamental problem with the bike why did Pedrosa not get arm pump?

Dani rode slow enough during paractice and QP to not experience the chatter (backed off as it began). Casey pushed it hard enough to experience the chatter (rode through it). Lap times indicate as much.

Obviously he isn't as adaptable as Pedrosa then

[tom]

Obviously he isn't as adaptable as Pedrosa then

Adaptability is being able to ride around the problem as opposed to backing off when you hit the problem

[Tourn46]

Obviously he isn't as adaptable as Pedrosa then

Adaptability is being able to ride around the problem as opposed to backing off when you hit the problem

Bad tactician then?

[SP_won]

FFS when will you take this shit elsewhere??!

[tom]

Sorry SP, I didn't think it would be read that way. It appears that the Stossi debate could morf into a Stossa debate. I will resist the urge to take the bait in the future.

[Zaphod]

Tourn is niggling , and you're bitting.

I will agree in part though.

Dani sat behind Lorenzo, and maybe if he'd gotten past Stoner a bit sooner ( as in, the same time Lorenzo did), then he could have possibly been in with a quite decent shot at the win.

So, the guy who "pushed through" the chatter bounderies got arm pump and couldn't hang on properly to ride the bike at the end, and the guy who pushed up to the chatter and backed off very nearly got 1st.


It appears that tactics could have been better.......... hindsight being what it is.........


.........maybe Danis gloves were older........