MOTM - Jerez

[motogpmd]

They wont end up in the class because history etc says not
Talent is talent..Vale was that good at 18.Spencer the same.

It is very difficult to gauge how good talent is from Moto3. There are plenty of 125 world champions who did nothing much once they got to 250/Moto2. The same is true of a guy like Marquez. Sure he has talent, but just how much we wont know until he is up against the best of the best on MotoGP. MotoGP is a whole new level. No-one is going to take a Moto3 rider straight to a top team in MotoGP.

[skid11]

Would like to see those Moto3 guys go straight to Motogp next season.That would shake it up
For the people with the knowledge could that happen?

No, and they'd end up a very long way off the pace. That's a massive, massive step.

Tell me why that cant happen?Where did Spies come from?Yam USA ??
Kenny Roberts snr went straight to to the top. Spencer as well

[yzr750]

Would like to see those Moto3 guys go straight to Motogp next season.That would shake it up
For the people with the knowledge could that happen?

No, and they'd end up a very long way off the pace. That's a massive, massive step.

Tell me why that cant happen?Where did Spies come from?Yam USA ??
Kenny Roberts snr went straight to to the top. Spencer as well

Roberts and Spencer were riding bikes equivalent to moto gp bikes at the time before they went gp racing, huge difference to getting off an underpowered lightweight straight on to a 240bhp motogp bike.

[Kropotkin]

Roberts and Spencer were riding bikes equivalent to moto gp bikes at the time before they went gp racing, huge difference to getting off an underpowered lightweight straight on to a 240bhp motogp bike.

Moto3 bike: about 55hp. MotoGP bike: 260hp+

Then there's the tires. And the weight (minimum weight for the 500s was just over 100kg for a long time, and I think 130kg when Rossi moved to 500s) by the time Fenati gets on a MotoGP bike they will be 160kg.

[skid11]

And talent beats stats every time

[yzr750]

Roberts and Spencer were riding bikes equivalent to moto gp bikes at the time before they went gp racing, huge difference to getting off an underpowered lightweight straight on to a 240bhp motogp bike.

Moto3 bike: about 55hp. MotoGP bike: 260hp+

Then there's the tires. And the weight (minimum weight for the 500s was just over 100kg for a long time, and I think 130kg when Rossi moved to 500s) by the time Fenati gets on a MotoGP bike they will be 160kg.

Exactly, there can be no comparison, Roberts and Spencer were used to the power and weight before they went to GP's.

[skid11]

Care to back that up with evidence??

[Gustav O]

MotM: Fenati, no question. Phenomenal performance, only his 2nd race in the wet (he won the first one) and a second and a half quicker than everyone else. Winning by 36 (or whatever it was) seconds is on a different level.

DotM: Spies. I don't know what's going on there, but it's not good.

Could not agree more. Fenati´s ride was the star performance of the GP.

[CLX]

Can anyone sum up who is Fenati and what he did? I'm feeling like an ignorant fool for missing Moto3 and Moto2 today...

[Squidpuppet]

Care to back that up with evidence??

I'll just come out and say it. What the fuck are you talking about?

Roberts was riding a four cylinder 750cc two stroke Yamaha.

Spies was riding 1,000cc four strokes in AMA and WSBK for many years before making the jump to GP bikes.

[eddahenry]

Care to back that up with evidence??

I'll just come out and say it. What the fuck are you talking about?

Roberts was riding a four cylinder 750cc two stroke Yamaha.

Spies was riding 1,000cc four strokes in AMA and WSBK for many years before making the jump to GP bikes.

Oh and Roberts was doing it on dirt

[Gustav O]

Can anyone sum up who is Fenati and what he did? I'm feeling like an ignorant fool for missing Moto3 and Moto2 today...

Young Italian new born Gp star in the Moto3 class. He blasted the entire field and lapped 3 seconds quicker than anyone else to win his second GP with 36+ seconds. He was second in Qatar and is now leading the championship. He was outstanding in the race today.
He is the reigning Italian 125GP Champion, he took the championship in his second year, he was 14th in 2010 after moving up from the Honda100 Class.

[Squidpuppet]

Can anyone sum up who is Fenati and what he did? I'm feeling like an ignorant fool for missing Moto3 and Moto2 today...

He is the new Italian kid in Moto3. 16 years old. His first race, Qatar, he podiumed. His second race, Jerez, he wins. By well over 30 seconds. I believe these are tracks he has never seen before as well.

[Squidpuppet]

Care to back that up with evidence??

I'll just come out and say it. What the fuck are you talking about?

Roberts was riding a four cylinder 750cc two stroke Yamaha.

Spies was riding 1,000cc four strokes in AMA and WSBK for many years before making the jump to GP bikes.

Oh and Roberts was doing it on dirt

Sideways over 100 mph.

[CLX]

WTF? 30+ seconds... I gotta get my subscription again!

[Cam D]

Care to back that up with evidence??

Evidence? Either we've misunderstood what you're asking, or you must be new to racing if you don't know Roberts history before he went to Europe. The aggression is unnecessary. I read your posts in another thread and they have the same beligerent feeling. Up the top of the page it says "Debate". 35 odd posts and you're already pissing people off? Maybe you need to adjust your style.

I was wondering about the performance of the Tech 3 bikes vs the Factory Yams. He rode bloody well, but I think Cal running the hard front tyre made the Tech 3 bike look a little closer in performance than what they are. It will be something to watch at up coming races.

[Cam D]

Can anyone sum up who is Fenati and what he did? I'm feeling like an ignorant fool for missing Moto3 and Moto2 today...

He is the new Italian kid in Moto3. 16 years old. His first race, Qatar, he podiumed. His second race, Jerez, he wins. By well over 30 seconds. I believe these are tracks he has never seen before as well.

http://resources.motogp.com/files/resul ... 3_879dc056
It was a pretty weird race because of the conditions, and there were a heap of DNF's. Looking forward to seeing him and Vinales "banging fairies" for the rest of the season.

[yzr750]

I was wondering about the performance of the Tech 3 bikes vs the Factory Yams. He rode bloody well, but I think Cal running the hard front tyre made the Tech 3 bike look a little closer in performance than what they are. It will be something to watch at up coming races.

I would have thought the tech 3 bikes and the works bikes would be quite close in this early stage of development, i would imagine the difference will get greater as the season wears on and the Tech 3 bikes start lagging behind regarding updates.

[Gustav O]

I would have thought the tech 3 bikes and the works bikes would be quite close in this early stage of development, i would imagine the difference will get greater as the season wears on and the Tech 3 bikes start lagging behind regarding updates.

Both Cal and Dovi has been making a point out of the fact that they don´t have what the factory boys do, a bit boring imo. Especially the electronics package is not as updated.

[Cam D]

I was wondering about the performance of the Tech 3 bikes vs the Factory Yams. He rode bloody well, but I think Cal running the hard front tyre made the Tech 3 bike look a little closer in performance than what they are. It will be something to watch at up coming races.

I would have thought the tech 3 bikes and the works bikes would be quite close in this early stage of development, i would imagine the difference will get greater as the season wears on and the Tech 3 bikes start lagging behind regarding updates.

Yeah, I read somewhere that The factory bikes had upgraded ignitions, larger front rotors and brake pads with more surface area. Not sure of the accuracy of the info. Maybe Krop knows? As boring as those comments are, they have validity. These days a rider gets picked to pieces by the press and the internet gurus, it's not surprising they try to defend themselves. When Jorge asked for equal machinery he was critisized for it, but look how much of a difference it made.

[Gustav O]

Yeah, I read somewhere that The factory bikes had upgraded ignitions, larger front rotors and brake pads with more surface area. Not sure of the accuracy of the info. Maybe Krop knows? As boring as those comments are, they have validity. These days a rider gets picked to pieces by the press and the internet gurus, it's not surprising they try to defend themselves. When Jorge asked for equal machinery he was critisized for it, but look how much of a difference it made.

You are correct but it gets a bit tiring after a while.
Brakes - I assume they have the same options from Brembo? At Qatar Cal and Dovi opted for the lighter discs as they liked the bite more, at least from what I could gather.

[Squidpuppet]

[It was a pretty weird race because of the conditions, and there were a heap of DNF's. Looking forward to seeing him and Vinales "banging fairies" for the rest of the season.

Yes, and to be fair, Rins was right there the whole time until his boo-boo. It looked to be a battle to the line until then.

[Tourn46]

MotM - Fenati... don't care that it was in Moto3, but that was just sublime.

DotM - Spies, I'm not sure how anyone can justify opting for anyone else on this one.

[wilzilla]

MOTM - Fenati + Cal, Both really lighting up the field

Honorable mention to Rdp! Really very unfortunate, he was tailing (an albeit under performing) Spies for the whole race.

DOTM - Spies, but I feel sorry for him. He must have been quite looking forward to "returning" to 1000's from his wsbk and ama days.

[Richo]

MOTM Cal Crutchlow. I know he probably made a better tyre choice but he at least kept up with the aliens where others have failed to do so in the past. I hope he can repeat the feat.

DOTM - crappy weather in Jerez. That's 2 years in a row now. Isn't Spain meant to be warm and sunny?