Ezpeleta Mulls A Return To 1000cc

Ever since its inception, the 800cc MotoGP formula has been unpopular with both the fans and the riders. The high state of engine tune has made the formula extremely expensive, as well as requiring the extensive use of electronics just to make the bikes ridable. This, in turn, has taken much of the spectacle out of the riding, requiring an incredible precision of style to get the best out of them, and making passing very difficult indeed.

The biggest problem, though, is the expense. With the cost of leasing a satellite MotoGP bike upwards of 2 million euros a year, grids are shrinking with little prospect of that trend being reversed. Something clearly needs to be done, but with the manufacturers already heavily invested in the 800cc formula, getting any change in engine capacity through the Grand Prix Commission, MotoGP's rule-making body, is a very difficult task.

Dorna CEO Carmelo Ezpeleta is determined to try, however. In an online chat with visitors to the website of the Spanish TV broadcaster RTVE, Ezpeleta explained that he intended to push forward his previously discussed plans for a return to 1000cc at this weekend's meeting of the Grand Prix Commission at Valencia. When asked if he would like to see a return to 1000cc in 2011, he replied "Right now, it is not going to be possible to switch in 2011, because the agreement with the manufacturers means that we could only make that change before the end of the 2011 season if there was unanimous agreement among the manufacturers. But we are thinking about a return to a 1000cc capacity from the start of the 2012 season, and we will start discussing it this weekend."

Ezpeleta isn't alone. The FIM president Vito Ippolito has been telling the press all year that MotoGP needs to cut costs, and that he would like to see a return of the production racing motorcycle, like the TZ 750s of the 1970s. IRTA, the association representing the teams, has also been vocal in its support of a larger capacity, preferably based on heavily modified production engines. With three of the four members of Grand Prix Commission already in favor, a return to 1000cc engines looks extremely likely. 

There are two major obstacles to overcome, however. The first is the question of the contracts which the Flammini brothers and InFront Motor Sports have with the FIM, which they claim gives them a monopoly on racing production-based engines. How much truth there is in that claim is open to debate, as only the FIM and InFront have seen those contracts, and neither party is keen to make their contents public. The Flamminis also claimed that the new Moto2 class breached the terms of that contract, but so far, they have refrained from taking any action against the FIM, ostenstibly accepting the argument that the spec Honda engine does not infringe their contracts.

The other, more important obstacle is the manufacturers. The MSMA are not disposed to allow production engines to be raced in the series, and though they may not be able to block a proposal in the Grand Prix Commission, they always have the nuclear option - pulling out of MotoGP altogether. That would be a very high risk strategy indeed, as the marketing benefit that they receive from having Valentino Rossi, Dani Pedrosa, Jorge Lorenzo, Casey Stoner, Nicky Hayden et al on their bikes is huge, and may outweigh any political advantage they get from pulling out of the series.

This is not yet settled, not by a very long way indeed.

Ever since its inception, the 800cc MotoGP formula has been unpopular with both the fans and the riders. The high state of engine tune has made the formula extremely expensive, as well as requiring the extensive use of electronics just to make the bikes ridable. This, in turn, has taken much of the spectacle out of the riding, requiring an incredible precision of style to get the best out of them, and making passing very difficult indeed.The biggest problem, though, is the expense. With the cost of leasing a satellite MotoGP bike upwards of 2 million euros a year, grids are shrinking with little prospect of that trend being reversed. Something clearly needs to be done, but with the manufacturers already heavily invested in the 800cc formula, getting any change in engine capacity through the Grand Prix Commission, MotoGP's rule-making body, is a very difficult task.Dorna CEO Carmelo Ezpeleta is determined to try, however. In an online chat with visitors to the website of the Spanish TV broadcaster RTVE, Ezpeleta explained that he intended to push forward his previously discussed plans for a return to 1000cc at this weekend's meeting of the Grand Prix Commission at Valencia. When asked if he would like to see a return to 1000cc in 2011, he replied "Right now, it is not going to be possible to switch in 2011, because the agreement with the manufacturers means that we could only make that change before the end of the 2011 season if there was unanimous agreement among the manufacturers. But we are thinking about a return to a 1000cc capacity from the start of the 2012 season, and we will start discussing it this weekend."

Comments

At least it is a start.

At least it is a start.

Total votes: 54

Half the Story.

Engine capacity is half of the issue, fuel capacity is the other half.  If they don't put more fuel in the tanks, it won't matter enough.  I have to hope someone is advocating that during the "talks".

Total votes: 50

Just dust-off the 2006

Just dust-off the 2006 990cc fire-breathing machines and bring them back!

Total votes: 57

what i was thinking

just what i was thinking, bring them back and we'll pretend none of this 800cc thing ever happened

Total votes: 56

Yes

I can't wait for lap times to get slower.

What is the hang up on 190ccs of displacement? How many 990 lap records are still left?

Total votes: 47

bingo

bingo

Total votes: 51

Tend to agree with Rusty...

I tend to agree with Rusty.

Fuel capacity is one of the major underlying issues that is affecting the "high state of tune" these engines need to be in to be competetive.

That having been said, any move involving production engines or highly modified production engines, etc.. etc.. is something I'd be totally against. The very nature of MotoGP is prototype racing as it should be. They're supposed to be the bikes that the world would dream to own but never can. Period.

On a semi-related point if you were to ask "yes but would you like your produciton 1000cc sport bikes (e.g. R1) to move closer to what a MotoGP bike is from a design and technology point of view?" Yes of course I would but that's a separate matter entirely.

Total votes: 51

The Term Production

I think the term production is confusing the discussion.

The motors the Ippolito is thinking about are like the TZ's of the past - production in the sense that they are readily available for purchase but this does not mean, in any way, that you can just go buy a streetbike with one of those motors in it and use it to ride to work.

WSBK has sort of convoluted the term production to mean a complete, street-legal motorcycle. I can guarantee that any "production" motors used in MotoGP will be pure-bred race machines not intended for the masses. Add to that unlimited modifications that aren't allowed in WSBK and you have something that looks pretty close to prototype (we don't even need to go into the discussion about the fact that prototype wasn't even a consideration in MotoGP until the introduction of the 990s).

In the end though, any discussion of changing capacity is wasted breathe unless they increase fuel limits.

Total votes: 64

Aprilia is running 250s in WSBK

That's my prediction. The Flaminis allowed Dorna to run 600cc production engines and in return the Flaminis are receiving Aprilia 250cc GP prototypes as a new spec series.

That's my guess.

Total votes: 64

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