Marc Marquez Has Penalty For Espargaro Crash Overturned On Appeal

The 1 minute penalty Marc Marquez had been handed by Race Direction has been revoked. Marquez was initially penalized after an incident on lap 21 of the Moto2 race at Barcelona, in which he and Pol Espargaro collided, causing Espargaro to crash out of the race. The incident was reviewed by Race Direction, and several hours after the Moto2 race was over, Race Direction issued the 1 minute penalty. Marquez' CatalunyaCaixa team appealed to the FIM Stewards against the penalty, and the FIM Stewards ruled in his favor, overturning it. The penalty would have meant that Marquez dropped from 3rd to 23rd in the final results, scoring no points for the championship.

The incident occurred on lap 21 of the race. Marquez had run a little hot into Turn 10 after being passed by Thomas Luthi, then saved a near crash with the front folding, before forcing his bike back to the inside of the turn, just as Espargaro was trying to pass him. Espargaro had nowhere to go, and he and Marquez collided, causing Espargaro to crash. Marquez went on to finish the race in 3rd, behind Andrea Iannone and Thomas Luthi.

The penalty was initially issued for violation of rule 1.21.2, which is the section on dangerous riding. Opinion in the paddock after the incident was divided on the fairness of the penalty, though the majority opinion seemed to believe it was unfair. Jorge Lorenzo felt that Espargaro had taken a risk by trying to get through, as he could have known that Marquez would try to close the line. Dani Pedrosa believed that the fault lay with Marquez, saying that Marquez had left the door open, and that he could have expected someone to come through. But Valentino Rossi voiced the majority opinion, which was that this penalty should have been applied after Qatar, rather than for the incident at Barcelona.

The Qatar incident certainly would appear to have something to do with it. At Qatar, as Marquez and Luthi started the final lap, Marquez got past Luthi and then started to move towards the outside of the track, while Luthi still had his wheel level with Marquez' bike, leaving Luthi with nowhere to go. After that clash with Luthi, Marquez was called into Race Direction and issued a warning, a yellow card, and told that any other borderline moves would not be tolerated. Though this crash appears to be less clearly the fault of Marquez, Race Direction appear to have decided to punish Marquez more harshly for a second questionable incident. Viewed in this light, the 1 minute penalty is more a punishment for what happened at Qatar than what happened at Barcelona.

With the penalty overturned, Marquez is once again back in the championship hunt, just 2 points behind Tom Luthi. If the penalty had been upheld, the gap would have grown to 18 points, and Marquez would have been a single point behind Espargaro.

The 1 minute penalty Marc Marquez had been handed by Race Direction has been revoked. Marquez was initially penalized after an incident on lap 21 of the Moto2 race at Barcelona, in which he and Pol Espargaro collided, causing Espargaro to crash out of the race. The incident was reviewed by Race Direction, and several hours after the Moto2 race was over, Race Direction issued the 1 minute penalty. Marquez' CatalunyaCaixa team appealed to the FIM Stewards against the penalty, and the FIM Stewards ruled in his favor, overturning it. The penalty would have meant that Marquez dropped from 3rd to 23rd in the final results, scoring no points for the championship.The incident occurred on lap 21 of the race. Marquez had run a little hot into Turn 10 after being passed by Thomas Luthi, then saved a near crash with the front folding, before forcing his bike back to the inside of the turn, just as Espargaro was trying to pass him. Espargaro had nowhere to go, and he and Marquez collided, causing Espargaro to crash. Marquez went on to finish the race in 3rd, behind Andrea Iannone and Thomas Luthi.

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Good. That was clearly a

Good. That was clearly a racing incident.

Now, let all the crying about Marquez being Spanish in Spain commence...

Total votes: 59

Jeez !!

Sanity overrules stupidity ( for once ! )

And no, I'm not a Marquez " fan ", I think he should have got nailed for the Luthi incident.

This was a racing incident.

Total votes: 54

How about safety overruling stupidity?

Sanity... oh yes, I can see how letting a history of dangerous moves continue unpenalised is quite sane!

Or try this - how about safety overruling stupidity? That would be a nice change wouldn't it?

Total votes: 57

"leaving Marquez(?) with

"leaving Marquez(?) with nowhere to go" could that have been luthi instead?

..

I'm really pissed of with all the incidents Marc have been involving lately. The eventful boy may ride the hell out of the bike but it is becoming a serious discrimination I believe. Shame on non consistancy in making decisions for race direction.

Total votes: 64

Tough incident

Saw the incident live, as well as replays. To me it was clear that 1) Luthi's overtake was clean -- he did not touch Marquez, nor did it seem like Marquez had really been forced wide by Luthi; 2) Marquez then had a wobble that allowed a window for Espargaro to duck under him; 3) Espargaro was also headed cleanly by, underneath Marquez, when Marquez veered back toward the inside and banged right into Espargaro, causing him to lose control, resulting in what looked like a dangerous mini-highside.

In the post-race interview, Marquez said he did not see Espargaro. For me that does not seem totally credible, since riders say all the time they can sense/hear other riders nearby. But who knows, maybe Marquez was concentrating on recovering from his wobble, and you also don't want to think Marquez would do something like that intentionally...

Everything considered, probably best to see it as a 'racing incident', although like I said Marquez's explanation was not entirely credible, and you had to feel for Espargaro, who was clearly hard done by.

Total votes: 62

OBJECTS IN MIRROR ARE LOSING...!!!

re: "In the post-race interview, Marquez said he did not see Espargaro. For me that does not seem totally credible"

except it IS totally credible. despite his wobble, marquez nailed his apex same as luthi and "crazy joe". they were going through a switchback so everyone was setting for the subsequent right-hander. that means his look through was 50-250ft out in front and biased to rider's RIGHT... NOT to the inside on rider's left.

re: "since riders say all the time they can sense/hear other riders nearby."

yeah, but on the track what you DO with that information is 180 degrees opposite from what you might do with it on the street. on the track, you close the door or stick out your leg to block as is now all the rage (ps: rossi wasn't being truthful). in contrast, on the street you err on the side of safety and yield position. the race is in FRONT of you, not behind you. what's behind is inconsequential. real racers know.

Total votes: 49

Marquez has an issue to deal with

It's possible that his earlier move on Iannone at the end of the straight, where he cut accross immediately after passing and almost took his front wheel out, may have influenced the thinking of race direction.

Total votes: 53

Marquez knew Espargaro was there

How could Marquez not know that Espargaro was there - pit board, sound of the engine, the previous laps etc.

I am not a conspiracy guy but this loss on appeal is very suspect. Marquez seems to get away with a lot that other riders would not.

The overturn keeps Marquez in the hunt for the championship.
I think that is the only reason that it happened.

Two years in a row where the golden child doesn't deliver the title - the over turn had to happen.

Total votes: 65

Agreed

I agree. My first reaction was that Marquez knew that someone was there. Personally if I was on track and a similar thing happened to me, I would definitely have known someone was there and you can bet I would not have ridden into them!

If Marquez had said that he mis-judged the distance, I might have believed that... but it looks like he just went for the most simple explanation to try and avoid all responsibility.

And the fact that he keeps trying his old tricks of moving in front of riders in the braking areas, even after other riders was in just such a situation that ended with a crash in Moto2 QP. You can be sure that the way Marquez has been riding in Moto2 will just not fly in MotoGP.

Total votes: 64

"How could Marquez not know

"How could Marquez not know that Espargaro was there - pit board, sound of the engine, the previous laps etc."
His pitboard would have had Luthi behind him since he went wide when Luthi overtook him. He still should have known Espargaro was there though, as the 4 of them had been racing together for most of the race, and he surely would have heard another bike. Though maybe he heard Espargaro's bike but didn't realise he was trying to take advantage of MM going wide.

In any case, I don't think the penalty should have been overturned for 2 reasons - 1) he had been warned that any borderline moves would be punished and it was clearly borderline as opinion is so divided on the matter and 2) it just makes everyone running the show look stupid. If race direction is in charge, unless they have made a gross error, which in this case they have not, the FIM should support race direction.

MM needs to pull his head in and start riding like a professional. His talent is unquestionable, but cutting in front of riders after overtaking on numerous occasions and then this incident will not bode well for him. SuperSic was warned and his behaviour changed for the better. MM was warned, his behaviour has not changed and the FIM are obviously ok for it to continue like that even though race direction were trying to send a firm message to MM.

Total votes: 55

CONTEXT

re: "His pitboard would have had Luthi behind him since he went wide when Luthi overtook him. He still should have known Espargaro was there though, as the 4 of them had been racing together for most of the race, and he surely would have heard another bike. Though maybe he heard Espargaro's bike but didn't realise he was trying to take advantage of MM going wide."

as a rider in the points, in the context of a grandprix race 2 laps from the end, this should mean what...?

Total votes: 44

"as a rider in the points, in

"as a rider in the points, in the context of a grandprix race 2 laps from the end, this should mean what...?"

It means that it is hard to blame one rider for what happened which is why opinion is so divided. Lorenzo suggested that Pol took a risk and could have known that MM would try and stay in front, but MM also should have known that Pol was there.

MM nearly crashed, barely saved it, so personally I don't think the onus was on Pol to avoid the crash. MM hit Pol, not the other way around. While this particular incident normally would just be classed as a racing incident, due to MM's previously indiscretions I believe the penalty was warranted and even if I didn't Race Direction's actions should have been supported.

Total votes: 49

REPEAT, WHAT'S GOING ON BEHIND IS IRRELEVANT

no, as a rider in the points, in the context of a grandprix race 2 laps from the end, it means the whereabouts of any rider (and or riders) behind him is irrelevant. races aren't run in reverse. this ain't car-world, there are no rear view mirrors. the only relevant data given of what's going on behind is gap time... and this via the pit board only 1x per lap. observe how there aren't MULTIPLE board positions spread throughout a circuit to communicate this information sooner...? nor does anybody make use of ship to shore radios like F1. why...? because what's going on behind is ultimately irrelevant.

re: "so personally I don't think the onus was on Pol to avoid the crash."

if not pol then who...? last i checked evolution had gifted espargaro with the 2 eyeballs and stereoscopic vision same as anyone tasked with safe operation of a moving vehicle. the burden of safe overtake rests with the passor NOT the passee. there is no grey area here. this is GOSPEL in black and white, but often comes as a "revelation" to those OUTSIDE the racing world. this would be one of those moments.

Total votes: 51

Concern

There is increasing concern for,

1) Race Direction and who actually is running the "show"
2) Marquez' continual involvement in high profile crashes and overtakes

It is hard not to come to the conclusion that there is Spanish element to all this and it has to end.

Total votes: 58

Should have upheld the penalty

Whether or not the penalty should have been given at Qatar is now irrelevant, they made their decision then, and made their decision now. You can't change the past.

But as David says - Race Direction made it perfectly clear that further borderline moves would not be tolerated, and so that is obviously why the penalty was issued. Keeping that in mind, it's all quite simple - the penalty was a result of the build-up of borderline moves, so I don't understand why people don't understand that? However when it comes to the question of why it was overturned, who knows. If anything it shows that they changed their mind and decided that the move was not really borderline? So how many similar moves will we see in the future...?

Total votes: 64

"However when it comes to the

"However when it comes to the question of why it was overturned, who knows. If anything it shows that they changed their mind and decided that the move was not really borderline?"

No one changed their mind. Race Direction penalised MM, it was appealed and the FIM overturned Race Direction's decision.

Total votes: 59

it's a tough call...

After seeing the replays I can see both sides.. However, he was warned, and it did not change things and should of known the other rider was there - young or not he's still a professional and should have had some idea.

I am guessing if the one minute penality stood, there would be no more of these racing incidents going forward with MM. But it didn't so one will be judged far less harshly than others.

I am in awe of MM's talent - but I hope he gets his butt kicked the rest of the year.

The spanish influence is over the top and can't be ignored - pisses me off.

Total votes: 64

Marc Marquez: riding fastly and getting comments fastly

well, the controversion about Marc Marquez reminds me about late Marco Simoncelli. Marc is a fast rider but he usually gets criticusm regarding to his riding. If there is no Marc on the track, the story of race probably missing something.
may Marc will learn the safety riding fastly

Total votes: 51

There is a comparison to

There is a comparison to Simoncelli in that the expectation from the riders behind Simoncelli in his last crash was that he would continue to slide on line to the outside of the track, but it didn't work out that way. The reasonable expectation of Espargaro was that after losing the front end, Marquez would slide to the outside of the track, but he saved it. Marquez was still ahead of Espargaro into the corner and Espargaro would have backed off if he had anticipated Marquez returning to the racing line. Both cases were unusual because of the unanticipated change in direction of the out of control rider. Both were unfortunate racing incidents but Marquez should be no more penalized for the result of the Espargaro crash than Rossi and Edwards were for the tragic Simoncelli crash.

Total votes: 43

Agreed. In every track day

Agreed.
In every track day and race organization I have been in, the responsibility for a safe pass is on the overtaking rider. Granted that MM looked like he might crash or go wide. Fact is he saved it and Espargaro committed to a pass. Racing incident.

Total votes: 44

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